141 pointsby louiereederson2 hours ago35 comments
  • bz_bz_bz2 hours ago
    If his personal security detained the person videoing them and offered them money to sign an NDA, it feels like something they had experience with. Could this just be the tip of the iceberg?
    • pcbro1412 hours ago
      Most likely. It's hard to imagine an ultra rich man who is already unfaithful to only be having sex with 2 women. Wouldn't be surprised if there was a lot more, including paid encounters.
      • kappi2 hours ago
        If you see two ants in kitchen, actual count is not 2!
      • syndacksan hour ago
        You’d do the same! We all would!!
        • bar8uyr2 minutes ago
          Would you?
        • jan_m_savage15 minutes ago
          eh.. speak for yourself. There are people with conscience out there in the world.

          I wonder if you'd still think the same after you read Defoe's Roxana and Dumas fils's Lady of the Camellias.

    • tclancyan hour ago
      Somebody have an agent go back and look at that Coldplay concert footage.
    • tiznowan hour ago
      It's the tip of something, at least.
  • jan_m_savage13 minutes ago
    [黃 (huáng) literally means yellow, but in slang and compound words, it can mean vulgar or lewd]....

    Here's an example:

    開黃腔 (kāi huáng qiāng) – to make a lewd or sexually suggestive remark.

    All those years me learning Chinese haven't gone to waste--yet. :)

  • classictraffic2 hours ago
    > Both Mr. Huang and Ms. Powell are married to other people

    Dumb language question: if Powell is married, why isn’t she referred to as Mrs. Powell in this article?

    • layer82 hours ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs.#Modern_usage

      “It is generally considered polite to address a woman by Ms. rather than Mrs., unless the preference of the woman in question is clearly known. This is especially true in written communication, as dictated by professional etiquette. […] It is normally considered correct to address a woman as Ms. [Lastname], regardless of her marital status.”

      • p-e-w5 minutes ago
        This applies mostly to the US, to a lesser extent to the UK, and to a much lesser extent (or not at all) to the dozen or so other Anglosphere countries.

        But as we all know, the US is all that matters, so you may as well state outright that it “is so”, and move on.

      • xdennisan hour ago
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    • eigenspace2 hours ago
      Ms. is the not-so-new address that is agnostic about the married status of the woman.

      Many people find it demeaning to address women differently depending on whether or not they are married, especially when we don't do the same for men.

      • grepex2 hours ago
        That's funny, I've met men who think it isn't fair and wish we got a title change too!
        • layer82 hours ago
          We could start using Mrr. for that (pronounced “misterer”).
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        • BigTTYGothGF2 hours ago
          "Ms" didn't just happen, it was an effort. Those dudes should be the change they want to see in the world.
          • TwoFerMaggie2 hours ago
            Maybe they can start by taking their wives' last names xD
            • limagnolia27 minutes ago
              I offered, but my wife was like "hell no"! So I offered that we create a new last name instead of using either. She declined that as well.
            • actionfromafaran hour ago
              Some do.
    • TwoFerMaggie2 hours ago
      > It is generally considered polite to address a woman by Ms. rather than Mrs., unless the preference of the woman in question is clearly known. This is especially true in written communication, as dictated by professional etiquette.[1]

      > [Ms. is] intended as a default form of address for women regardless of marital status. [2]

      [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs. [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ms.

      • classictraffic2 hours ago
        Wow, I truly had no idea and thought Mrs. was always supposed to be used for married women. Thanks!
        • timran hour ago
          You didn’t know, because it started with Gloria Steinem in the 70s.

          Wikipedia tries to make it sound like it’s some old tradition, but it’s actually fairly new, with the prior historical references being obscure until it was resurrected. It’s right there in the article:

          > “Ms. was another acceptable, but rarely used, abbreviation for Mistress in England in the 17th and 18th centuries.[12] During the 19th century, however, Mrs. and Miss came to be associated almost exclusively with marital status,[13] and Ms. was popularized as an alternative in the late 20th century“

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ms.

          • rgmerkan hour ago
            Fairly new? Using "Ms" has been standard practice in the New York Times for 40 years, and it was regarded as a holdout at the time.

            https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/insider/1986-ms-joins-the...

            • timran hour ago
              Cant read it, but the title literally says “1986, ‘Ms’ joins the Times vocabulary”, so I’m guessing that, you know…1986 is when it became the Times’ standard. This likely corresponds to the campaign of Geraldine Ferraro, which is what I personally remember as the point where the term became widespread.

              I don’t understand this need to rewrite history. Nobody in this thread is objecting to the use of the term. Even the wikipedia article says the term was resurrected in the 80s.

              • x1798DEan hour ago
                Hate to break it to you my dude but 1986 is 40 years ago.

                Skeletor will return next week with more disturbing reminders about passage of time...

                • timran hour ago
                  Hate to break it to you, but you’re arguing with me about something I never said. I said it was revived in the 70s.

                  The term is recent in a linguistic sense. Even if you personally think it’s ancient history, “my dude”, there are plenty of us alive where it was invented in our lifetime.

                  A teacher explained this to me in elementary school as some new fad.

                  > Skeletor will return next week with more disturbing reminders about passage of time...

                  Classy edit, btw.

                  • x1798DE24 minutes ago
                    What? You had a whole thing about rewriting history because the parent said the NYT adopted 40 years ago, then you made a big deal about how it was in 1986 and resurrected in the 80s and talked about rewriting history.

                    What was that all about if you both perfectly agree on the timeline?

                    > Classy edit, btw.

                    Edit? I did not edit my post. I think you may not understand what that means. It is neither classy nor unclassy, it is a type of meme.

                    • timr11 minutes ago
                      > What? You had a whole thing about rewriting history because the parent said the NYT adopted 40 years ago, then you made a big deal about how it was in 1986 and resurrected in the 80s and talked about rewriting history.

                      It's simply a fact that the term was revived in the 70s and popularized in the 80s. The person I replied to was trying to imply that was incorrect, by suggesting that the NY Times was some long-time holdout.

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    • fspeech2 hours ago
      A married woman may not have taken her husband's name. Mrs. implies it while Ms. is neutral.
      • swat5354 minutes ago
        In many places, the law doesn't allow for the woman to take the man's name. Only children's family name can be decided.
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    • Scharkenberg2 hours ago
      "Mrs." is falling out of style. I kind of get it. "Mistress" is a loaded word, if you think about it.
      • dualvariable35 minutes ago
        I'm 55 years old and never thought about that, because the link never occurred to me.

        But when Mrs first stood for Mistress, the word Mistress wasn't "loaded" at all.

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    • grepex2 hours ago
      Ms. is just a safe neutral default.
  • heywintermute2 hours ago
    He has to be finished as CEO even despite all the keyman risk right?
    • ro_bit2 hours ago
      What difference is there between this and other tech CEOs who have had relationships with their staff? Musk and Gates come to mind
      • dfabulich15 minutes ago
        If by "this" you mean the affair with Powell, probably not much difference between Jensen Huang's affair with Powell and affairs that Gates, Bezos, and Brin have reportedly had.

        But the extramarital affair with Alice Huang is quite different. NYTimes reports that Alice Huang is a Chinese spy, with whom Jensen Huang may have conspired to break the law, selling advanced NVIDIA chips to China. That affair puts the whole company at extreme legal risk. Gates, Bezos, and Brin have nothing like this on their records that I'm aware of.

        As I write this, the top post on HN speculates that this is "the tip of the iceberg," indicating that there at least may be more affairs yet to be uncovered, and, plausibly, Jensen Huang may have committed even more enormous mistakes with serious consequences for NVIDIA.

      • u1hcw9nx2 hours ago
        He is very hands on. He has more direct reports than other other tech CEOs. I think close to 40. Someone else stepping up or stepping in has things to do.

        In addition Nvidia is incredibly tech-heavy company. You need another EE with experience with AI chip design and business. Just having good experienced businessman looking at simplified powerpoints before making decisions of technical issues is probably not enough.

        • 4ggr02 hours ago
          > He is very hands on

          certainly sounds like that's the case, yup

      • louiereederson2 hours ago
        It's also very common for executives to get fired for affairs with direct reports. Kind of a cultural issue.
      • fidotron2 hours ago
        Brin was absolutely next level.
      • octoberfranklin2 hours ago
        Musk isnt married.

        Musk is also very "out" about it. Kinda like how it's okay to be gay in the CIA, as long as you're out. Being in the closet gets you fired because it makes you blackmailable.

        • BigTTYGothGF2 hours ago
          Cheating on your girlfriend who's also the mother of a couple of your kids is almost as bad as cheating on your wife.
          • collingreen2 hours ago
            Is it worse or does it dilute the bad if there are a ton of baby mammas not just a "girlfriend who is also the mother of a couple of children"? I don't like the guy but it kind of feels like it somehow isn't as bad when it's just open, repeat behavior and nobody thinks he is even trying to be exclusively "with" these women. I have no idea what their shared understanding is but it might not be as bad as your framing makes it sound if that is openly known between them.

            Not a lifestyle I could ever be proud of living personally but ymmv and elon seems to be enjoying himself.

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    • jm42 hours ago
      I would think so. We can probably expect more to keep trickling out until he has no other choice but to resign. The spy thing was already bad enough. Now we find out he's hooking up with one of his direct reports? Seems like he runs a toxic workplace.
  • u1hcw9nx2 hours ago
    Huang Holds 3.4% of Nvidia and has no dual-class voting rights. He can't prevent getting removed if the board thinks it's time.
    • eunos2 hours ago
      Huge mistake of not trying to have dual class shares during the height of AI mania (or crypto)
      • ram1500natrluvran hour ago
        Or Nvidia comes out of this damaged but not nearly as much as if they were glued to Jensen. "Superstar" CEOs that have complete control over a company are only benefits until they become enormous risks.
      • hn_throwaway_99an hour ago
        There is no way that would have been possible. And as I saw another commenter mention, even if NVidia were founded much more recently when dual share structures became much more common, you rarely (or maybe never, I can't think of any cases) see that dual share structure in very capital intensive industries like hardware where you have to sink a ton of money into the enterprise before you even see any revenue. Software is a whole different ball game.
    • rubyfan2 hours ago
      Assuming the board is truly independent.
      • u1hcw9nx2 hours ago
        They all are. No Jensen connections at all. All from finance or non related business.
  • s1artibartfast11 minutes ago
    Was she over 18? Seems like a non-issue
  • mertbio2 hours ago
    Not surprising at all. Many tech CEOs are like this; Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Sergey Brin, Eric Schmidt and so on. People don’t stop idolizing these people, they don’t even think that this is a problem.
    • pokstadan hour ago
      It’s an odd phenomenon alright. South Park covered it in the episode “Sexual Healing” where famous rich men kept cheating on their wives. We may never get to the bottom of it.
      • p00ki3an hour ago
        Marriage/long term coupling is not "natural" but normal in society

        With the decline in religious attendance has come a decline in marriage; from 70%+ to 50%ish over the last couple generations

        But divorce rate has declined so those that do marry seem to really want it; in the before times though it was how women survived

        Coupling fits with biological imperative to have partners but longterm/for life is obviously not necessary since divorce is common too, partners die, etc

        That and recent research shows long term married couples are 50% more likely to develop dementia; an imbalance in effort develops where one becomes codependent and forgets how to live and the partner in charge loses grip of themselves and taking care of their partner consumes them.

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    • nerdstomper2 hours ago
      > People don’t stop idolizing these people, they don’t even think that this is a problem.

      They'd go as far as to call it a virtue. Silicon Valley is the greatest domestic enemy this country has ever seen. They've built entire machines to protect, reward, and normalize antisocial activity.

      lol, I called it perfectly even.

      • Hikikomori2 hours ago
        Not much different from other industries, other than scale and reach. Took many decades to regulate out killing workers and customers for profit, some are still barely regulated.
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    • ahtihn2 hours ago
      What's the point of being a billionaire if you can't sleep with whoever you want?

      What even is the problem with that really?

      • tiznow24 minutes ago
        The being compromised part and bringing your decision making into question, if you're asking
      • disiplus2 hours ago
        pretending to be a family man while doing it.
      • vitaflo2 hours ago
        Well one of them was a Chinese spy for starters. He's a compromised individual.
      • quicklywilliam2 hours ago
        This is a great question, just not in the way you meant it
  • lapcat2 hours ago
    I knew this was going to happen. It's highly unlikely that a man cheats on his wife for the first time after age 60. This was just the first time he was outed for it.

    I hated the misogynistic narrative that Huang was somehow helpless against a super-spy-seductress. Men can in fact control themselves, and it takes a lot of effort, you might even say willpower, to turn a business meeting into a bedroom encounter, especially when you're in the public eye. If Huang was targeted, it was because he was an easy target, a philanderer.

    • JumpCrisscross2 hours ago
      > This was just the first time he was outed for it

      For good reason. The level of fuck-up in sleeping with a Chinese spy and then having the gall to try and corruptly quash the investigations into it, coming clean only after Congress flips, is nuts.

      I’m not convinced a good CEO can’t have affairs. I am convinced a liar and corrupter can’t.

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    • JKCalhounan hour ago
      "I knew this was going to happen."

      Maybe his autographing that women's bra (boob?) at a trade show was a red flag…

    • jorl1723 minutes ago
      On nearly every post online about his affair, one of the most visible comments always ended up being about how one must "understand" that this just sort of "happens" when you're this rich and powerful. Poor thing, couldn't keep it in his pants. "Oh, just think of how hard it would be to resist! Would you?"

      I pity whomever is in a relationship with someone who actually thinks that way. I'm disgusted, to be honest.

    • UltraSane2 hours ago
      Yes even if you are a billionaire women don't just spontaneously strip naked for you it takes a real effort to make it happen.
    • PorciiVorbesc2 hours ago
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      • tiznow27 minutes ago
        The affair part probably isn't as damaging to the average relationship of a CEO and their wife as the public embarrassment is.
      • hn_throwaway_9941 minutes ago
        > Yeah but then what's the point of busting your ass your whole life to become one of the wealthiest and most influential men in the world, if you can't have an affair when the mood hits you?

        Perhaps don't get married then, or have a consensual open relationship.

        I love all these comments that are basically like "what's the point of being a billionaire if you can't stick your dick wherever you want when the mood strikes you and lie about it to your wife."

        • underlipton15 minutes ago
          I think the unspoken implication is that being a billionaire means having an inordinate amount of power, such that immoral behavior like this becomes almost a given, because you can literally buy your way out of consequences (if only up to a point). Maybe the pertinent question is less, "How do we stop there being billionaires who succumb to the temptations of their unfathomable amounts of power?" and more, "How do we stop there being billionaires?".
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  • mrtksn2 hours ago
    Can someone explain how the CEO sex life is relevant? Is it because of the risk of a messy divorce that can both distract the CEO and eventually force voting share transfer since he’s also a shareholder? This isn’t really like the Chinese spy mistress thing after all.

    Edit: honestly, this one feels like a moralistic freak out more than anything. Who cares about sex with the non-spy lady?

    • Sparkle-san2 hours ago
      Yes, his actions carry potential shareholder risk and the board has a fiduciary duty to treat it as such. Nvidia (and Jensen) carry extra risk given their corporate structure which is flatter than most companies. Jensen has dozens of direct reports and is a cornerstone of the company. The recent changes to the stock price exemplify all of this.
    • baby_souffle2 hours ago
      > Can someone explain how the CEO sex life is relevant?

      If it's true that he had the affair with the CCP spy or otherwise was encouraged to sell GPUs using loopholes that violate export bans, that would put him and NVDA into some hot water.

      Investors do not like that and the implications for any rapid change in NVDA valuation would be immense.

      • mrtksn2 hours ago
        Sure, the spy lady sex story is relevant but this is a different non-spy woman.
        • galleywest2002 hours ago
          He slept with a subordinate employee, which is a fire-able offense in essentially any corporate environment I have ever worked in.
          • mrtksnan hour ago
            So? He is a shareholder and CEO having sex with another consenting adult, who and why anyone would fire him. AFAIK Musk had kids with his subordinates and became a trillionaire afterwards.
            • ethanlipson19 minutes ago
              Because she's not actually able to properly consent if she feels her job is on the line, whether it actually is or not. When a supervisor comes onto their subordinate, that subordinate may feel that they'd be putting future work opportunities (e.g. promotions) in jeopardy if they say no. Or worse, they'd worry that they're putting their employment at risk. Even if Jensen had "pure" intentions and this affair in principle didn't affect their working relationship, he in fact can't know that.
            • jubilanti9 minutes ago
              For the same reason that, today, you're not considered a national security risk if you are openly gay, but you still are if you are closeted and trying to hide it. You can't easily blackmail an Elon type who has no shame and whose sex and drug addictions are part of his public reputation. Jensen presented himself as a faithful family man.

              Also, if you cannot comprehend that there are issues of consent when it comes to having a sexual relationship with someone whose career you can destroy with no consequences, then I seriously hope you never get a management position. Elon's boards seem to be okay with this, but that is not the norm.

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    • rgmerkan hour ago
      Having an extramarital affair in and of itself isn't a fireable offence. Having sex with a subordinate is.
      • s1artibartfast2 minutes ago
        Shouldn't be if the other person is an adult and there were no high pressure tactics.
    • cromka2 hours ago
      Yes, no one questions what he does with his wife (or used to...). That's sex life. Promiscuity and risky behaviors are that and have nothing to do with his sex life.
    • glimshe2 hours ago
      The latest one reported to him. If he wasn't the CEO, he'd be long gone.
    • sparkling2 hours ago
      Potential for blackmailing, messy divorce, corporate liability with regards to potential sexual harassment lawsuits, overall negative PR/image... and a dozen other reasons.
  • b1122 hours ago
    Looks to me like he has a target on his back, and people are just throwing stuff at it now. This could have come out years ago, if it is true. No reason not to. None, not in this day and age.

    So it's all opportunistic, at this point.

    • m4632 hours ago
      nvda stock is on sale.
      • b1122 hours ago
        Of course. Find allegations which will stick, short, leak the allegations.

        Then Investor lawsuit kick off, more allegations, a big drop, profit. Then "oh well", "can't prove it".

        This was all immensely quick, putting together an investor's lawsuit this fast, other allegations waiting...

        It's almost as if someone had the lawsuit ready to go.

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  • rdtsc15 minutes ago
    > Mr. Huang’s security witnessed the bystander with their phone and sequestered them, the people said. They made the person an offer to sign a nondisclosure agreement

    This is not their first rodeo, is it? Wonder how much was offered? Did the person take it? ("hey, psst, we'll throw the latest GPU card on the table, how about now?")

    Then, will Huang issue another, equally sincere, public apology to his wife about this other affair. He could have grouped them both into a batch for efficiency I guess.

  • karimf2 hours ago
    Related: Nvidia Is Preparing to Oust Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50459703
  • minimaxir2 hours ago
    At this point there's a good chance there are much more than just two affairs.
    • wepple2 hours ago
      If you spot two ants in your kitchen, the average number of ants is probably higher than two
      • wewewedxfgdf2 hours ago
        If there are ants in your kitchen they might be coming in due to rain outside.

        You can leave sugar water in strategic places and then follow the ant trail to track where they are coming in.

        Probably there will be an entire trail of ants in the morning - not just two. You can then track the place where they are coming in and block up the entrance point.

    • disiplus2 hours ago
      i commented somewhere, it will hardly be the only one. I never knew somebody that cheated just once.
  • xrd2 hours ago
    He's trying to be a Japanese businessman from the 1980s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C5%8Dsuke_Uno#Economics

      Uno was highly criticized in public not for having a Geisha mistress, as it was a traditional leisure practice expected of politicians and wealthy men but instead due to relating his poor financial habits in the Japanese Diet as compared and paralleled to the ungenerosity towards his former Geisha mistress.
    • tantalor2 hours ago
      What an awful sentence. Just terribly written.
  • wewewedxfgdf2 hours ago
    Gotta get me a sharp looking leather jacket - that must be what's getting him all this action.
    • layer82 hours ago
      You might need to also acquire his level of net worth.
      • wewewedxfgdf2 hours ago
        Nah - it's the style, the vibe of his presence.

        People don't see the money, the global geopolitical issues at stake - they see the man - they see the jacket.

      • dancing2 hours ago
        The wealth will come, but only after you get the jacket first.
  • nxobject43 minutes ago
    Well, there goes the productivity bragging he does about his nonstop work ethic and sheer number of direct reports.
  • bpiroman19 minutes ago
    Leave Jensen alone!!
  • nixonaddiction2 hours ago
    tbh if jensen is that prolific i wouldnt be shocked if lori huang knows and has like, made her peace with it.
  • ecocentrik2 hours ago
    Maybe I'm too old and stupid but I'm less concerned knowing that the guy has a few mistresses. It makes it less likely that any of these ladies are tugging on his heart strings for the keys to his kingdom. Nvidia security is probably all over these affairs monitoring his communications, personal devices...
  • parametersssan hour ago
    Michael J. Burry getting two for the price of one
  • shoobiedoo2 hours ago
    I'm not condoning cheating at all, but if you're a billionaire with endless connections around the world, why wouldn't you just go to an escort if you can't keep it in your pants.

    I know things are different when you're only thinking with your johnson but jeez, showing up with the same woman in front of the media many times and even displaying affection in front of a camera (there is pictures of them with light body contact afaik), what did he think was going to happen?

    • UltraSane2 hours ago
      Being seen in public so often with a mistress seems extremely arrogant or wanting to get caught.
      • a_bonobo19 minutes ago
        it's a power thing - yeah he could go to an escort, but then it becomes only about money. He wants these relationships as a proof of his power; then walking around in public is to flaunt the power, the 'you can't do me nothing, look at me'. Power is the drug.
  • sleazebreeze2 hours ago
    I assumed he’d survive the one affair. A second one? Now I’m not so sure.
  • corroclaro2 hours ago
    If he were French, no one would have blinked.
  • debrisontrack2 hours ago
    The jacket, it's all because of that shiny leather jacket...
  • minimaxa2 hours ago
    Now we have to live through this nonsense for 10 years in the news.

    He should have retired and done a handover last month and left at his peak to a beach villa on Maui...

  • anthk2 hours ago
    In the end a Chinese model was a risk to national security...
  • rvz2 hours ago
    What a massive scandal. It is over.
  • groby_b2 hours ago
    Purely accident that the news dribbles out like that. Nothing to see, moving on.

    (If he's done this without his wife's full consent, he's certainly a despicable human, but that doesn't change that this looks like a really nicely orchestrated PR hit job)

    • mlfreeman2 hours ago
      I agree with you. I also find it “interesting” that this all really started appearing a few days after DOJ made angry noises about nVidia buying Hugging Face.
  • metalman2 hours ago
    He's kind of like 'scum bag lite' and now barely qualifies to join the rest of the mega wealthy and powerfull in there conspicuos imunity from censure.
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