103 pointsby utiiiD5 hours ago8 comments
  • netfortius2 hours ago
    There is no coming back from all this, is it?
    • sdcfgy2 hours ago
      Don't you have an amendment that allows you to fix it all?
      • bix62 hours ago
        We have a judiciary actually
        • newCrotchSmellan hour ago
          Nah.

          We have an Executive, Legisla...handful of outdated pants shitters, and SCOTUS

          Oh and 10s of millions of <50 year old adults that outnumber the >50 cohort. Yet they're too afraid of an frail olds doddering off into their own inner world live on TV.

          Thing is rest of the world been saying this about the US for decades but censored TV full of imagery like one might see painted over buildings in countries run by Dear Leaders; Americans are effectively socially the same low effort smooth brains as those in terror nations they bemoan.

          • cyberge9912 minutes ago
            The older politicians bring history, decorum and ceremony to the Congress.

            I’m not a fan of term limits because they would allow megacorporations to buy influence too easily (with free retries every X years).

            Establishment has flaws for sure, but de-stabilization is not one of them.

            Steady state can only be achieved with balance.

          • rtaylorgarlock39 minutes ago
            party-line voters would be really mad if they could read this
        • sdcfgyan hour ago
          Could have fooled me.
        • chinathrow2 hours ago
          Are you sure?
          • bix6an hour ago
            Yes? Supreme courts pretty off rn but there are still a number of wins happening in lower courts. The party of law (team red) is making a mockery of itself that I won’t forget in my lifetime.
      • boppo12 hours ago
        That would only work if we agreed on what a replacement regime would look like. Faith in our regime is low, but the 'revolutionary' replacements are the DSA on one side, who mean well but are unbelievably naive[0] and on the other... Idk ancap wignats or something? Before the people equipped to put that amendment to use do so, I think there needs to be some sort of idea of what they're fighting for. There's a lot of stuff about how we gotta fight for democracy, but it's democracy itself that got us here.

        One might point out the yale study that shows we don't have democracy, but if that's true, idk how one would implement a democracy that doesn't get co-opted the way ours has. Most of the ideas I see are not actually democratic. There's a lotof "well, democracy would work if only people / ideas that agree with my correct political views should be allowed to power" which isn't democracy, it's authoritarianism. Plato established a long time ago that benevolent authoritarianism is preferable to democracy, but the problem is humans aren't really good at implementing it. When authoritarians of any ilk get power, they tend to step on someone, no matter how good their intentions are.

        [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RWsHLvBntg In this interview Megan Romer, who is basically party leadership, explains 'Authority in the DSA is when we vote at the convention every two years'. The lack of structure is extremely ripe for bad actors.

        • engineer_222 hours ago
          Look I don't want to be pedantic, but this problem is exactly why the 2nd constitution of the United states framed up a representative democracy with strong federal government. It's a middle ground between a mob and a strong man. Close enough to the people to course-correct in perilous times (good track record for that, graven circumstances the likes of which we've no living memory) and far enough removed from the masses to guide us as a peer among nations. This only fails if the traditional Republic's "Rule of Law" is eroded to the point that the law becomes irrelevant.

          DSA is the Coachman in pinocchio who promises a new life on Pleasure Island. Eventually the bill comes due.

          • gcanyon17 minutes ago
            What does DSA promise that hasn't been demonstrated to work in other countries?
    • martythemaniak2 hours ago
      Sure there is, many countries have successfully thrown off personalist authoritarian regimes and transitioned to being inclusive democracies with a strong rule of law. The problem is that Americans are very far from realizing that they have a problem, the magnitude of their problem, and the time and effort it'll take to fix this problem. It's a generational project that starts with throwing most of the current cabinet in jail, however this view is very far from the mainstream and things will keep getting worse before more people come to the same conclusion.
      • cyberge999 minutes ago
        Never in recorded history have authoritarians ceded power without violence. Ever.
      • engineer_22an hour ago
        For real? You still have feudal titles and a monarch. In your land some humans are literally created as more human than others. Your government literally asks the monarch for permission to do democracy. But you'll lecture Americans on throwing off the strong man.
        • martythemaniakan hour ago
          Totes for reals, yes, because I understand the difference between de jure and de facto.

          The failure mode you're observing in the US is that one partisan hack can write a memo in the correct linguistic style, submit it to a council with a majority of other partisan hacks, and like magic anything can become legal or illegal, because everything was done in the correct linguistic style. Actual practice does not matter. There are lots of examples of this over the last two years, perhaps the case against the 14th amendment is a good starting point to see how this works.

          • engineer_2241 minutes ago
            > There are lots of examples of this over the last two years

            And an equal number in your country. Do not lecture Americans on freedom and virtue. Your country has its share of shortcomings, your economy structured to a higher degree to benefit a class of oligarchs. Your politicians are liars and thieves like any other. Wait your turn.

            • martythemaniak15 minutes ago
              As I said in my original comment:

              > The problem is that Americans are very far from realizing that they have a problem

              So I understand and I certainly agree that you're with the majority of Americans thinking everything's basically fine.

      • ck22 hours ago
        um, we can't even get people to do something as simple as stop using X

        then he takes all those billions and further funds the alt-right

        democracy is pretty much done even if Dems get the Senate

        actually he may stomp on the accelerator pedal if the Senate does shift

        btw it's not "many" only a very few countries have done that

        we're literally one Supreme Court justice away from the country becoming the christian taliban

        capitalism doesn't need democracy, MANY countries prove that, they even prefer knowing who to bribe to get exactly what they want

    • newspaper12 hours ago
      No, and “all of this” is essentially the entire history of the United States. We’ve built a society on genocide, land theft, slavery and imperialist slaughter across the globe. What we are seeing now is the reflection of our true selves.

      I think the answer starts with the US breaking apart into many smaller countries and the natural decolonization happening via demographic trends.

    • aaron6952 hours ago
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    • whatsdowndog2 hours ago
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      • lmeyerov2 hours ago
        It's incredible how well talking points on wedge issues get consumed, accepted, and amplified by both bots and people. And even though AI can now detect this in seconds, the problem seems worse nowadays, not better.

        (Source: we help power tools used by the big boys to analyze posts like this & their underlying narrative campaigns)

      • i80and2 hours ago
        Nasty slurs are very unbecoming. This might be the ugliest comment I've seen in a very very long time here.
      • newspaper12 hours ago
        Imagine thinking these things that have maybe only happened in extremely rare scenarios are a problem at all. None of this is relevant to anyone.
        • whatsdowndog2 hours ago
          The frequency is not the issue. The issue is how many people voted for Trump because of these issues?
          • newspaper1an hour ago
            None? Why would anyone make decisions based on fiction? Trump people voted for Trump and complain about trans boogeymen constantly. It’s who they are: fearful of fictional situations.
            • whatsdowndogan hour ago
              He sweeped all the swing states. Something happened. There was a clear shift.
  • dtf34 minutes ago
    "He offered to mop the floors at OpenAI to get his foot in the door."

    The American dream is alive and kicking.

  • stillpointlab33 minutes ago
    My most cynical take: keeping the feel-good image of Anthropic is a temporary ploy to keep fickle SV tech workers building the technology.

    When OpenAI started to move obviously towards commercial and governmental ties, a lot of people left. Those people were necessary to build the tech. Many landed at Anthropic, a company that still attracts the most ideologically strict and capable ML researchers.

    But at some point of their choosing, the powers that be will just take it.

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  • gskyan hour ago
    No sirprise after all Oligarchs rule america
  • bix62 hours ago
    > A self-described “awkward kid,” Brown has said he briefly worked on a group dating app called Grouper to help people like him “talk to girls.”

    What’s up with Republicans attracting all the people who can’t talk to chicks?

    • paulddraperan hour ago
      Strange criticism.

      By that token, don’t ask what party attracts the most convicted criminals…

      • le-markan hour ago
        If going by POTUS that would also be the GOP!
      • bix6an hour ago
        Just having some fun eh

        Studies I found say team blue. But also suggest they are flawed, not national, and racist. Thoughts?

    • tclancyan hour ago
      I mean the app name itself is … something.
    • google234123an hour ago
      Umm, firstly, it's embarrassing that this is the top-rated comment on Hacker News. Secondly, I'm pretty certain Republicans have way higher marriage rates and higher rates of having children.
      • bryanlarsenan hour ago
        Slightly higher marriage rates, balanced out by higher divorce rates.
      • or1gaminalan hour ago
        > Secondly, I'm pretty certain Republicans have way higher marriage rates and higher rates of having children.

        There has not been said it attracts only incels so no contradiction. Both claims could hold.

      • bix6an hour ago
        Don’t worry jokes don’t last long here
    • awnirdan hour ago
      Republicans are used to dating kids. They never develop the skills to talk to adults.