80 pointsby paimapi2 hours ago5 comments
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  • Charly_HW28 minutes ago
    9/11 was the starting point for profiting from many places, but mainly for keeping Americans afraid and prompting them to turn against people from outside the country to justify military spending.
  • Cider9986an hour ago
    9/11 was used as an excuse to create more mass spying on Americans even though 2,977 people died while 42,116 died from car accidents that same year.
    • EvanAndersonan hour ago
      I'm an American turning 50 in the next year. Today made me aware of the fact me that I've now lived in a "post-9/11" world longer than before. (Time gets away from us, doesn't it... >sigh<)

      In the years immediately following the attacks I thought the country's collective paranoia would subside. I thought the encroachments on civil liberties would fade away.

      I didn't understand how much money there was in fear-based capitalism (and I really should have, seeing as how I lived thru the fear and hype around Y2K) and how quickly the interests profiting from keeping Americans afraid would become entrenched.

      I feel like people who were young when the attacks happened developed a normalized view of mass surveillance. Likewise, I feel like they have a stronger deference to authority. As today's early-to-mid 30's-aged people assume the reigns of power I think we'll have even less of a shot to see a return to pre-9/11 attitudes about civil liberties.

      • krapp38 minutes ago
        Y2K was potentially a real problem. It didn't materialize as such because we actually fixed it.
        • EvanAnderson35 minutes ago
          I totally agree. I was there helping fix it, too.

          The occasion of Y2K was used by merchants of hype and fear to make a quick buck with people who had "prepper" tendencies. I can't believe I didn't expect them to glom-on to 9/11 the way they did with Y2K.

      • monegator20 minutes ago
        just look at all the doomposting, announcements of people leaving and companies disclosing that their chatbots totally could destroy the world! fear-based capitalism, as you put it.
        • Drupon15 minutes ago
          AI psychosis ^
  • Lammy25 minutes ago
    These days they call it Cloudflare and make you pay for it lol
  • smalltorch2 hours ago
    Hi NSA.

    I don't envy the NSA position. I mean honestly it seems like an impossible task to sniff all the packets and find anything useful. A mission to secure the people whilst not infringing personal rights in today's world is a really really hard problem.

    • kvujan hour ago
      > A mission to secure the people whilst not infringing personal rights in today's world is a really really hard problem.

      The problem is that the NSA violates everyone's privacy without a care in the world.

      This makes it pretty easy for them. Stockpile a bunch of vulnerabilities and go to town.

      When you cannot even know what their budget is (since it's classified), can you even know what their capabilities are?

    • hollow-moean hour ago
      It's not a "hard problem" it's impossible, it would be a typical trying to solve a social issue with technical solution. Bad actors encrypt their comms anyway so only the unaware layman gets caught in the net.
    • lern_too_spelan hour ago
      They don't sniff all the packets to find anything useful. Snowden showed that they intercept certain packets flowing between particular sources and destinations that might contain useful information. In Snowden's leaks, one such application was email inbox backup transfers for big Internet companies that did not (at that time) encrypt their WAN traffic, from which they mined the sender and recipient to build a social graph, a program that the leaks said had already been shut down.

      Mining public forums like this one are likely fair game and seems not to be a secret, but it doesn't require anything in Room 641A.