133 pointsby inferhavena day ago19 comments
  • ollamer19 hours ago
    https://github.com/ollama/ollama/issues/11772

    A year and still no implementation for such a basic need as offloading MoE layers onto the CPU selectively. On llama.cpp I can get models like Qwen 35BA3B running partially on gpu/cpu with 40t/s on a laptop thanks to --n-cpu-moe but on this VC funded joke it would be simply unusable. I can't quite understand how you make a wrapper so much worse than the code you're ripping out.

    >This funding is fuel for what’s ahead. Ollama sits front and center in the open model ecosystem

    No.

  • mottosso2 hours ago
    A lot of hate for Ollama in this thread. Am I understanding correctly that it is all based on not crediting llama.cpp correctly? I can't find any other argument against it, other than some minor performance differences. Where Ollama stands out is user interface. It's easy to overlook how difficult and important that is.
  • fnlsnda day ago
    Will Ollama finally properly credit llama.cpp ? Or will they continue to rebrand new llama.cpp features as their own?
    • mrcwinn7 hours ago
      I’m sure you know.
  • entropyiea day ago
    To any ollama.com dudes and dudettes reading this: why won't you offer any embedding models on your subscription when they are readily supported by the software and fairly efficient to run?
  • woadwarrior0116 hours ago
    I think the "8.9 million developers use ollama" figure they throw around is contrived. I found this 2025 article which posits that there were 47.2 million software developers in the world. Even the number of developers has doubled in a year (plausible if you account for the rise in vibe coding), I think it's very unlikely that 1 in 10 developers use ollama.

    https://www.slashdata.co/post/global-developer-population-tr...

    • voakbasda4 hours ago
      No no no…. You see, with AI, everyone and their dog is a developer now. 8.9 million looks pretty pathetic when considering the global computer-using population.
  • khursa day ago
    >Today, we’re announcing that Ollama has raised money from VCs...

    Note to self, Enshittification ahead. Don't use any ollama services unless it's calling an industry standard api.

  • joshdavham18 hours ago
    Cool to learn that the founders also had a hand in developing Docker Desktop in the past!
    • allanrbo6 hours ago
      Does anyone actually like Docker Desktop? I much preferred Docker before it had weird UI parts to too. Have since switched to Podman.
      • Dansvidania4 hours ago
        on macOS it was horrible. I have been using orbstack for a while now and it has successfully stayed out of my way.
  • trilogic17 hours ago
    How did they raise that amount of money if they are so hated, I see only bad comments everywhere about ollama. Not a fan of them myself, but they played a good part in local ai since the beginning. The investors screw everything: Ollama announced an $88 million financing on July 9, 2026. The named participants were:

    Investment firms and organizations

    Benchmark — represented by Peter Fenton Theory Ventures — Tomasz Tunguz 8VC — Alex Kolicich Y Combinator Garage Capital Pace Capital 49 Palms GTMFund

    Individual investors

    Solomon Hykes — Docker founder Aaron Katz — ClickHouse CEO Spencer Kimball — Cockroach Labs co-founder and GIMP co-creator Quinn Slack — Amp CEO Marianna Tessel — Cisco board member Michael Montano — former Twitter head of engineering Other unnamed angel investors >like lmstudio and google/alphabet maybe!

    Investors are not free

    • gkapur16 hours ago
      Peter Fenton invested in the company when it was called Infra.App originally (I think it's still online: https://infra.app/). It was an access management product, then it became desktop Kubernetes product, both they pivoted out of. I imagine he invested based on the technical acumen of the founders and then worked with them to pivot when Ollama started working out. Almost all of the other investors invested in the founders based on that original idea space (which wasn't a great one but was quite adjacent.) I think that includes 8VC, YC, Pace Capital, GTMFund, who all followed on here.

      Since it pivoted, I imagine the story they are telling is the usage. But you can add to that Peter Fenton has had incredible success in commercial open source (Docker-ish, Elastic, JBoss, CockroachDB, TimeScaleDB, and if you include Benchmark there is Elastic, Confluent, etc.) so a bunch of these people are probably trying to ride the Peter Fenton/Benchmark train. My guess is that's what Theory is doing.

      Investors are not free but they are very hype driven. There are < 10 investors who are truly experts in open source in my opinion in the market (and maybe < 5.) It's a really wacky cadence and I would argue there are different types of OSS businesses, which makes it even more difficult to be an expert. It's something I struggle with personally investing in OSS -- I think I understand the likely motion for an OSS startup and then > 50% of the time I am wrong.

    • tredre316 hours ago
      Why blame the investors? You went out of your way to even name them so we can bash them, why? Ollama founders sought them. Ollama founders wanted the money. Ollama founders took the money. Ollama founders took all the decisions that made people now dislike Ollama. Nobody forced their hands, it was their plan all along...
      • trilogic15 hours ago
        That´s the whole point, once you take the money, not your decision anymore. We also received good offers at Hugston (over 3 million dollars) to buy our decision making but we didn´t take it. It is not easy to deal with the team and the perhaps but we kept our principles. Nothing against investors, but once they "invest" they are all over your neck and board of administrators weekly. There finishes the joy/innovation and starts the unpleasant route. We will go out with the new version of HugstonOne (in the coming week) which is way superior and very powerful to everything worldwide right now for Local AI and Privacy and features, but users are 100% ín control, NO TRICKS.
  • ekianjo19 hours ago
    dont use Ollama. llamacpp is better in every way.
    • h2aichat15 hours ago
      Would anybody here recommend LM Studio?
  • twsted17 hours ago
    Another chance to tip their hat to llama.cpp, missed. I really don't get it.
  • wazoox18 hours ago
    Annoyingly many useful tools like the "Page Assist" browser extension or "Murmure" are plug-and-play only with Ollama...
  • lioeters18 hours ago
    > The personal computer moment for AI

    Georgi Gerganov, the author of llama.cpp, is the real hero here.

    https://llama.app/

  • intothemild20 hours ago
    This is all lovely and I wish them the best.

    But please don't use ollama, or their quants. Not only is the app itself slower than pure llamacpp. But their quants are often no where near the best.

    I really hope people start with something like unsloth, as their software and quants are really much better all around.

    • CharlesW19 hours ago
      For anyone who may not be aware it exists: https://unsloth.ai/docs/new/studio
      • unsnap_biceps17 hours ago
        I really wish they would figure out a better way to ship it for Mac. Last time I tried it a few months ago, it spewed a bunch of stuff into the system's pip archive and broke other software.
      • 8 hours ago
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    • fwipsy16 hours ago
      Unsloth has better quants, but when I tried their studio a couple months back it seemed like a buggy mess. Ollama seemed very basic but low-frustration.
  • vivzkestrel19 hours ago
    • ianhawes19 hours ago
      I wasn't aware of the politics behind Ollama but I have noticed the lack of variety in quant versions, the lag between availability on Ollama, and their push to get you to use their cloud versions.

      I'm going to uninstall Ollama.

    • Grombobulous6 hours ago
      This article is really helpful for finding alternatives. I was already using LMStudio but I love that I now know about a couple of true open source alternatives I can try out.
    • aceazzameen19 hours ago
      I don't use local models often enough, but this convinced me to uninstall ollama. Now I need to figure out which of the options at the end of that post is the best alternative for me.
      • el_io17 hours ago
        llama.cpp?

        Ollama is/was based on that.

        • sillystuff10 hours ago
          Just adding to your suggestion.

          For those new to llama.cpp, the llama-server component running in "router mode" is fantastic; you place your common configuration in a defaults section of an ini file, and then model specific configuration in separate sections of the ini file. You can switch between models, on the fly, using the API, and the built-in web front-end for llama-server supports model switching as a drop down menu. Llama-server can just always be running, in the background (you can set an idle time for it to automatically unload weights to free vram/ram, and a maximum simultaneously running model count which will evict models on an LRU basis before loading new ones, if the count is exceeded).

          llama-bench is another great tool included in llama.cpp, where you can provide ranges of options to test, and just let it run through all the variations that you requested, then take the best performing and add those settings to the ini file above.

          There are a lot of optional tunables that can really improve performance with llama-server. E.g., typical average tok/sec generation speed improved over 7X for Gemma4 31B, on my laptop, with tuned batch-size / ubatch-size and enabling both spec-type draft-mtp and ngram-mod (with some custom settings on both). I.e., even though you don't need to do this for llama-server to be useful, it can be worth your while to spend a little time optimizing settings for your favorite models especially if your hardware is marginal.

    • electroglyph5 hours ago
      i handed out so many upvotes here, good work everybody!
    • thot_experiment17 hours ago
      Came here to post an anti-ollama rant, real glad this is already the top comment. Nature is healing.

      It's not my favorite but we do have to be aggressive in fighting these gross attempts for vc-backed silicon valley non-contributors to exploit open source labor.

    • arikrahman17 hours ago
      Immediately thought of this article.
    • fragmede18 hours ago
      If that's what I'd have to do to get $88 million, I don't want $88 million.
    • verdverm17 hours ago
      I've been very happy with vLLM as an alternative on the serving side, and OpenCode Go on the subscription side
    • senectus19 hours ago
      I had no idea about any of this. thanks. Might give some of the alts a go.
    • moralestapia17 hours ago
      Yeah, they're trash.

      Looks like it's their second time, as Kitematic was a very thin wrapper over the Docker CLI.

    • kypro17 hours ago
      I see a lot of these "don't use [insert product]" posts and it's normally always BS about how some exec at the company has the wrong political views or upset some community who was the product by taking it in a different direction from what they wanted.

      I think this is probably first time ever I read one of these and was convinced immediately that I should probably look into using something else.

      • inigyou16 hours ago
        This isn't different in kind from any of the other ones you disagreed with, so maybe ponder why you agree with this one.
    • halJordan15 hours ago
      Or, you know. Don't tell me what to do. One dirty hand washes another and many of llama.cpp's new features are straight copies of ollama functionality. You do you of course. But stop denying them their contribution to this ecosystem and stop denying me my agency to salve your politics.
    • abtinf8 hours ago
      I have no opinion or knowledge of the claims in that link, nor will I research them. The entire thing is obviously claudeslop.
    • zishha1b0njq17 hours ago
      This post is empty of any relevant content.

      I wish HN would stop sharing drama-seeking posts, especially by anonymous authors, attacking the hard work of people.

      Are ollama's authors perfect? No, they are just humans. But many people find their work valuable and we should support Open Source.

      I can assure you that you won't like the world where nobody release Open Source projects anymore because of the constant negativity.

      • pyaamb17 hours ago
        Do you see any negativity towards llama.cpp? This isnt drama-seeking. The author makes very valid points.
      • pierotofy17 hours ago
        Taking credit for other people's work while raising millions? Yeah, pretty bad and relevant.
        • inigyou16 hours ago
          See also: why friends don't let friends use permissive software licenses.

          The llama.cpp authorized ollama to do this... Unintentionally.

          • msm_12 hours ago
            Literally the main point of this blog post:

            >The project’s binary distributions didn’t include the required MIT license notice for the llama.cpp code they were shipping. This isn’t a matter of open-source etiquette, the MIT license has exactly one major requirement: include the copyright notice. Ollama didn’t.

      • Krasnol17 hours ago
        This anonymous author made some good points, supported by good sources.

        It looks more like you're the anonymous author attacking the hard work of the author of this blog post.

        The blog post alone has more relevance then the ad-post.

  • ojinai6 hours ago
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  • JSR_FDED18 hours ago
    The VCs listed in the article aren’t the dumbest ones around. Why on earth would they invest in a shell around the actual technology?

    Were they so enraptured with the “docker for LLMs” line?

  • mrcwinn7 hours ago
    Do not use Ollama.
  • rvz19 hours ago
    > The local LLM ecosystem doesn’t need Ollama. It needs llama.cpp. The rest is packaging, and better packaging already exists.

    Then put those LLMs to work and build an open source alternative to everything that Ollama is doing.

    After all, open source is a pricing weapon to race everything to $0.

  • m_kos16 hours ago
    I get that people here have reasons to hate on Ollama but it has two genuinely strong points: - it makes it very easy to use open models with a lot of harnesses and assistants via `ollama launch`; Their $20 subscription is very generous, and they claim not to log or train on your data.

    I will be curious to see if their subscription ever supports the ~3T open weights models announced this week.

    • eastbound16 hours ago
      > $20 subscription is very generous, and they claim not to log or train on your data.

      The principle of running locally is that you’re not in the cloud.

      • m_kos14 hours ago
        Sadly, I can't run GLM 5.2 locally.