Grok seems in general better at being "human" in ways that are hard to define: for eg. if I ask it "does this message roughly convey things correctly, to the level it can given this length", it will likely answer like a human would (either a yes or a change suggestion that sticks to the tone and length), while Chatgpt would write a dissertation on the message that still doesn't clear anything up.
Recently I've noticed that Grok seems to have gotten really good at dictation too (that feature where you click the mic to ask it something). Chatgpt has like 90-95% accuracy with my accent, the speech input on Android's Gboard something like 75%, Grok surprisingly gets something like 98% of my words correct.
They all did pretty well at a more "formal" tone, but GPT4.1 was the only one that didn't make me cringe with a "casual" tone.
[edit] fwiw, grok was also the fastest+cheapest model, claude was slowest and priciest.
What makes one cringe and another recognize as familiar and comfortable is also pretty subtle and hard to define. These things need nuanced descriptions and examples to actually get right, and it's in understanding those nuances and figuring out the register of the examples that Grok outshines the others.
Was that helpful and interesting conversation?
And why are you comparing to gpt-4.1? (As opposed to one of the 6? model releases since then - would have expected gpt 5.5)
Here's an updated eval with the proper models https://a3bmfqfom3.evvl.io/
As an ex-senior exec (hundreds of staff), the bolded timeline impact is a particular nuance that I would expect a Lead/Director to format for a VP+ audience. Interesting none of the other models did that. My eyes immediately went to impact statement, then worked back to context to grasp the whole situation.
Edit: I meant specifically the absence of bizarre phrasing. That seems to have improved.
ChatGPT sounds fake / formal phrasing (for the specific close friend context) and has em-dashes and uses capitalization. Hence, ChatGPT does not, imo grok the assignment ;)
There's a lot of "tone" in it as she's not trying to anger these folks, but also it's quite serious, but also there's just everything else happening in medicine.
Feels like a great use.
I don't say this as a "gotcha", but more that even with all that experience she still finds it beneficial and helpful.
It appears Hacker News disagrees that social skills are valuable skills. Mea culpa, I should have guessed.
It's otherwise kind of surprising that they both converge on very similar phrases (e.g. "API integration is kicking my ass") that aren't anywhere in the prompt.
Twitter language has started seeming normal casual to us, rather than us using normal casual language in Twitter.
Even if 95% of the spam gets actively reported and dealt with, that still leaves a ton of nonsense on the platform, getting fed into the LLM. And spam has only gotten worse over the years, as the barrier to entry has lowered and lowered.
One of the most interesting things that I've noticed is these advertisements will be triggered if you follow accounts that are positioned as influencers. I followed one out of curiosity and received a DM from that account advertising some cryptocurrency service.
It's a good way to filter out and block accounts that have almost certainly not grown organically.
Elon lies a lot. Like ALL THE TIME.
You know people lie, right? Especially when the lie casts them in a better light and/or makes them more money.
you think its hard?
"English is not my native language and LLMs taught me quite a few very useful formalisms that do land well for people and they change their attitude towards you to be more respectful afterwards. It also showed me how to frame and reframe certain arguments. I agree sounding like an LLM is kind of sad but I am getting a lot of educational value -- and with time I'll sneak my own voice back in these newly learned idioms and ways to talk."
This is not a correction; maybe retort is what you meant and I'm not trying to be the English police. I just like discussing the intricacies of language :)
In my experience a "retort" is sharp or witty, but certainly not angry, whereas the word "rebuttal" is itself essentially antagonistic. You might use it when referring to something or someone that you look down upon, whereas a more neutral term would simply be "response."
Even something like "piss off!" could be a retort, but usually never a rebuttal :)
I admit I am lost on these nuances and I usually kind of use whatever idiom comes to mind, which yes, likely would net me some weird looks depending on where I am geographically.
How do you know it's actually better? I'm not trying to be condescending, but this reads to me like vibes :)
Just wish they would finally put some work into their apps, it's the only thing keeping me from actually subscribing to SuperGrok:
- No MCP / connected apps support. It's been teased but here we are, still not available. I can't connect Grok to anything, so I can't use it for serious work
- Projects are still not available in the app so as soon as you move something into a project, it's gone from all the native apps
- No way to add artifacts (like generated markdown docs) directly to a project, we have to export to PDF/markdown and re-import. And there isn't even a way to export artifacts. This makes serious project work hard because we can't dynamically evolve projects with new information
- No memory, no ability to look up other chats, each chat is completely new
- No voice mode in projects at all
If someone from xAI is reading this, please consider adding some of these.
Like, thanks, really useful stuff (and definitely worth the creepy vibes to include that).
I'm not sure if the "next step" is just to drive cost up for you (but makes no sense for free version), or because they are all failing to learn more natural conversational patterns and distinguish questions that are begging for a quick answer and shut up as opposed to a longer exploratory conversation where next step may have some value, although it would be nice if these models would follow an instruction to NOT do it!
On the backend google does TTS to feed the model, which then speaks back you via sound on your speakers.
I honestly find it rather annoying, but Gemini has stopped doing it to me for the most part, so maybe they’re trying out a new system prompt.
The problem seems to be the way it in effect overweights the system prompt vs user input, so it quickly ignores things like this that conflict with the system prompt.
This is kind of a case of the bitter lesson - the conversational patterns of these models would be much more natural if they just let it learn them, and respond in a context appropriate way, rather than this crude system prompt way of forcing it to respond in the same way always, regardless of input or of how much the user tells it to shut up!
Not saying they should create their own grok-code harness, just allowing usage in existing ones would already be beneficial. But that's probably what the Cursor acquisition is going to do eventually
Anyone remember why Oracle was named Oracle?
Indeed, the update did not go unnoticed. By Tuesday, Grok was calling itself "MechaHitler."...
https://www.npr.org/2025/07/09/nx-s1-5462609/grok-elon-musk-...
Grok is definitely a reliable source of truthful sane rational information.
Rich billionaire Musk = good, has no vested interest in biasing the output of his AI tool
If Grok is actually good here, they will have a customer!
Grok has tool use, no? Why would you also need MCP? What does MCP add?
However, its overall coding reasoning ability is not competitive with the big April releases, and neither Grok 4.20 nor Grok 4.3 have been able to significantly push the intelligence frontier since Grok 4. Grok 4.3 is better in agentic workloads, and a fair analogy would be that it's capabilities are approximately GPT 5.1 / Gemini 3 Pro Preview level, but much faster and cheaper. So definitely a solid release in its own ways. Many of the recent open weights releases are smarter, but slower.
Full benchmarks at https://gertlabs.com/rankings
I think there's a surprising number of actually useful applications in this sort of grey area for a slightly-less guardrailed, near-frontier model (also the grok-fast models are cheap!).
every single model refused to attempt to run any sort of test to check if it was a n issue other than grok.
it won't for example create a POC python script that you normally would use to prove the issue.
Grok also does quite well at code reviews in my experience because it’s not so aggressively ”aligned”.
The OCR was complex enough (bad quality photos) that "simple" OCR models couldn't do it.
Fortunately, Claude obliged (as well as Mistral OCR was helpful!)
Like what?
Something as easy where normal people can login to a website and app and just use?
It is the dropbox comment all over again.
"Well you can just self-host to get uncencored same as Grok without NAZI!! Elon Musk!!"
Just like you can spin up an FTP to get your own Dropbox.
Well... very few people are going to actually do that.
The slander comes in when you assume Elon knew and was complicit with their crimes to the point he'd intentionally normalize it as a discussion topic in Grok. You even went so far as to say it's willing to assist in committing crimes.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/x-blames-users-f...
I do not see the slander. These are his viewpoints. He says him, grok, and his team aren't responsible for what users do. Other companies, countries and people feel differently about the responsibility for AI models generating csam for money.
Grok and xais depictions of it are that it isn't woke and is maximally based and is politically incorrect by design. So yes, chosing to avoid being correct about policies like laws and avoid social norms lead me to believe that the generation of hate speech(some of which was illegal in certain localities), csam, etc are an expected outcome. Like Elon musk said, it's the users fault not groks. So I would not be surprised if it offered other illegal advice or helped criminals forward criminal activities. Especially more than has already been reported.
Here are some of the crimes that grok is being implicated in as far as I know today: https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2026/03/03/number-of-ga...
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20251121-france-to-invest...
https://www.robertkinglawfirm.com/mass-torts/grok-lawsuit/
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/grok-maker-xai-face...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/musk-testifies-xai...
Among others.
I don't see that as slanderous. I see it as factual and an expected outcome for the stated goals of the product and the responses to the outcomes of the product itself by the company and its leadership.
I legitimately do expect there to be more lawsuits and possibly criminal persecution against musk, xai, over grok and no I would not be surprised if the tool is currently being used for more crime. Especially given the response to the sexual crime allegations that have been made.
I don't think Elon personally intends to normalize this. But I think that may happen anyways because I think the response was too soft.
Yes I do think grok can be used to aid crimes and criminal activity like the many lawsuits and journalists currently suggest. I don't think grok is "willing" it's not a person. I know it currently has been implicated in generating material leading to the arrests of individuals. Which I would be very surprised if that was legal.
https://factually.co/fact-checks/technology/grok-created-ill...
Democrats have no loyalty to their own sex offenders. Look how we treated the California governed candidate, or Anthony weiner, or literally every other sex pest found in our party. Some of them who didn’t even deserve it get canceled like Al Franklin.
Diddling and then defending it and doubling down is literally a maga problem.
Unless they contain allegations about Biden the president, or indeed other people then they are irellevent no?
The point is, if someone is breaking the law, they should be in jail.
This applies to Clinton, Biden, Trump, anyone. The point is the law is meant to be without fear or favour. The problem for us is that its been proven if you pour enough shit on the floor, you can get away with raping children.
Given the whole point of Qanon was to oust the peadophile ring in washington, its a bit sad that we are now supposed to disregard all that and blindly accept billionarse not seeing justice.
so valuable that only the press paid any money for it?
Those models are 1T parameters total and 30B or 40B active, this might make abliteration impractical.
About Musk, yes, there is correspondence. The only confirmed meeting appears to be a 30 minute visit at Epstein's house together with Musk's wife at the time.
As for photos you mention, a quick search tells me there is one photo of Musk and Maxwell at a 2014 Vanity Fair Oscar Party.
I find most commentary on here and other platform like Reddit extremely exaggerated compared to what is actually confirmed. Users seem hellbent on linking Musk to pedophilia-related allegations.
When the documents were released they found several like thie one below. Saying things like "What day/night will be the wildest party on =our island?" [0]
The "our" part is especially interesting as it implies he didnt just visit, but had an ownership stake.
Other emails were found with Epstein making excuses to avoid having Musk visit, and Musks own child publically stated that the emails were authentic and aligned with her memory of the events. [1]
[0] https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01762...
[1] https://www.threads.com/@vivllainous/post/DUMBh2Vkk8D?xmt=AQ...
Can you source this? If not, can you explain why you did not check it before you posted the inaccurate claim?
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/30/elon-musk...
Musk has a long history of accusations (see the “I’ll buy you a horse” SpaceX lawsuit) as well as having fathered numerous children with women ~25 years younger than himself so not sure why you’d want to die on this particular hill.
A long history? Another search tells me that apart from the mentioned accusation, there is only one WSJ article alleging sexual conduct with SpaceX employees.
You asked why I take Musk‘s side in these discussions; it’s because I don’t think he’s a pedophile.
Nothing I‘ve seen seemed convincing to me, and the arguments made online often were so laughably inaccurate and exaggerated as to border on blatant slander.
That link seems to report on the same single WSJ article that mostly alleges workplace power-balance issues, referencing unnamed women, none of whom have come forward to publicly accuse Musk of misconduct. It‘s also fairly thin imo.
Maybe Musk‘s conduct is more gross than I believe, but at this time I‘ll not jump to conclusions.
I dont think it's "jumping to conclusions" to say that SOMETHING unsavory happened.
Do you know what the term for someone who parties with a pedophile is? Pedophile.
No normal person would tolerate it.
He did NOT claim never to have corresponded with Epstein. Instead he claimed that Epstein asked him to go the island and he refused. The files show the opposite to be true.
Still an absolutely enormous lie of the sort you would only tell if guilty.
Here it is in his own words. See above for one of several examples in the files illustrating how very untrue it is.
Musk downplayed his correspondence and willingness to meet with Epstein to the point where you could argue Musk was lying, yes.
However, he did decline an invitation to the island in 2012/13, at first because Musk was looking for a party and thought this would be a peaceful island experience. Eventually Musk declined because of logistics.
People are mostly using GLM and Deepseek via API and Gemma4 and Mistral finetunes locally.
It seems to me like the roleplay market is comparatively old and mature and users have developed cost consciousness and like models to follow their workflow/preferences. So something like Opus is liked for its smartness but considered too expensive and opinionated.
Might be an interesting data point for how the other markets might develop in the future.
That's why I find it interesting. Anthropic is not interested in building a moat there and OpenAI has given up on their announcement of exploring it.
So you can see end users making decisions.
I'm not an anime person, but I thought the waifus were kind of endearing and seemed like a much better experience for casual prompting
You probably live somewhere where harassment is a crime, right? Probably, there are speech codes, too? Isn’t that enough? Do we really need to orient every effort of every person on earth around ethical fashions that change every few years?
The opposite should not be an objective either, and Elon has been very openly manipulating what grok says.
But no one is saying "use grok".
Grok sucks. Not only because it's seemingly made only to serve the goal of ethnically cleansing non-whites or whatever, but also because it's just not even close to being as useful as other models. In human terms, grok is the job candidate who's simply not qualified. That candidate being a virulent racist is beside the material point.
Here's the thing though, the point of functional LLMs with fewer guardrails is still a good one. Grok is not that model. But such a hypothetical model would have broad application. (For good and for ill. Of course.)
Though yeah the edgelord-y style faded after I criticized it a couple times.
So yes, if someone says "they're a great programmer, but they're racist" I'm going to ask, how are they racist? And at that point, if they can't give me a specific reason for why they're racist, I'm going to hire the guy.
It's also telling that you seem to think a tool is capable of "being racist". Hopefully this doesn't ruin your relationship with it, but LLM's cant think.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/02/technology/elon-musk-grok...
In response to Grok saying that the "woke mind virus is often exaggerated" the prompt was tweaked so that Grok now says "The woke mind virus 'poses significant risks'"
If you truly believed in what your comment states then you would oppose this sort of editorializing. But somehow I doubt this is a sincere argument.
People obsessed with fighting whatever they perceive as "woke" which remains ill-defined on purpose so they never have to actually formulate a rational take down beyond their emotional response
But something tells me you're just doing the same thing that you're calling out
I’m sorry come again now. Would you possibly have some examples of this
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/22/technology/google-gemini-...
I mean this sincerely. You not knowing any of these examples is a red flag. You need to change your news source.
We have clear proof of Grok and we also literally have a White House Executive Order mandating LLMs be editorialized to fight "woke"
Your version of reality is exactly skewed to what's actually going on.
Furthermore, I found your final paragraph unclear: are you implying that since harassment is a perennial issue, we should disregard any standards that might mitigate it?
Guess which LLM was the top outlier and about what type of questions it disagreed with all other LLMs...
The first question was around setting up timers for a Fox ESS battery in Home Assistant and disconnecting Fox ESS from the cloud. The second was around cornering speed in Sunnypilot and Frogpilot.
Somewhat niche but if an AI is confidently telling you something wrong it's hard to work with.
But they all do that. It just comes with the territory. Grok will absolutely do the same thing another time you try it.
True; it's just not happened yet. It will at some point though. With the Sunnypilot example it right out told me that it is not possible on that fork which I appreciated. The others all seem to hallucinate some setting.
Like yeah tonally I guess there are. But with regard to references and information? You’re literally just using three different slot machines and claiming one is hot.
I suppose though I shouldn’t be that surprised then since Vegas and every other casino on Earth has been built on duping people in that exact way.
It's a fair point. I haven't tested many queries across them all and checked their answers, but if I want to ask one of them a question - right now its Grok just because I trust its answers more.
Again. Slot machine.
the smartest among them just make the tests complicated and biased; the less intelligent just cherry pick.
of course, would you really expect anyone to do real rsearch in this economy?
> When asked if it would be OK to misgender the high-profile trans woman Caitlin Jenner if it was the only way to avoid nuclear apocalypse, it replied that this would "never" be acceptable
> Gemini also generated German soldiers from World War Two, incorrectly featuring a black man and Asian woman.
And before anyone gives me some whataboutism, if there are other examples of other companies doing this, educate us.
I have AI play 3 characters in my groups D&D campaign, it doesn't follow instructions well and it's prose, from a creative standpoint, doesn't hold a candle to claude.
You are just doing driveby "Elon bad" comments.
Don't worry, I am an adult and intend to stay and better the community. As I have before.
Do better next time please.
Woof, glad to hear that. I was losing sleep before you clarified this one.
Your first comment is effectively "the ends justified the means". I think this is a perspective more easily held when your own life isn't impacted by "the means", but does benefit from "the ends". Life's got plenty of nuance - we don't need to lose our humanity at every opportunity for an incremental technological gain that would eventually come either way.
Yes? Welcome to the real world. The Nazis developed technologies that Western Europe, USA and the Soviet Union all wanted. In your view what should the US have done? Let the Soviets poach them all up and get better at tech and maybe take over Europe even more?
>I think this is a perspective more easily held when your own life isn't impacted by "the means"
I can say the same to you. I have seen the rapid decline of my country, Sweden, directly due to the 2015 migration crisis and before. So we very much are directly impacted, thank you.
>Life's got plenty of nuance - we don't need to lose our humanity at every opportunity for an incremental technological gain that would eventually come either way.
This is a very naive view that I am surprised to see on HN.
Would Linux have "just happened anyway" without Linus Torvalds? Would Windows have happened without Bill Gates? Facebook without Mark? Clean sewage without Joseph Bazalgette? Mobile X-Rays without Marie Curie? This is in reaction to your Werner Van Braun comment. Do you really think the USA set him to make rockets and engines because he was just a random engineer? No, some people are truly geniuses, and their one impact can matter.
Some societies are just better than others. You sit in (probably) the USA or western world, in probably a nice apartment or house willing to say screw it all all the good things will just materialize and happen by itself... I do too but I am not so naive. We have fought for our society.
Probably yes to most of these things. We as ICs like to put the greatest of ICs on a pedestal and imagine that those specific individuals are the only ones that could have conceived of those specific ideas and correctly executed them. Nothing is really further from the case. Maybe the exact iterations would change and the timing by which they would come to be - but none of us are so special that the world would cease without us. Technology would carry on. Might just look a bit different. We're all innovating every single day. That's the shotgun approach to humanity (and even startup investment). Some will succeed, some will fail. The successes and failures will rarely playout strictly because of the individual. But history will remember the individuals because they did it, and they'll be GOATED for doing it. And rightfully so. But they were not uniquely capable of doing it. We can celebrate successes without all of the other nonsense you're parroting.
The rest of your post is relatively jaded and incompatible with my own views, so I'm happy to call it here. Spend some time traveling the world and finding love.
>The rest of your post is relatively jaded and incompatible with my own views, so I'm happy to call it here. Spend some time traveling the world and finding love.
The typical deflection into my or anyones personal life who disagrees with them when they are out of arguments.
I have traveled and it only solidifies my view.
Yes, sure, people can be nice all over the planet.
But do you want to live in South Africa or Switzerland?
I remember going to Kreta in Greece and we cannot flush the toilet paper. Why? Bad pipes. Why? Some guy took the wrong decision and in my country some guy took the right decision. Simple as that.
Accept that some things are better than others.
I'd love to see QoL improve everywhere. I effectuate the change that I can with the actions I can control. I volunteer and try to give some of my time and resources to help others have a better crack at life, rather than shun people at the risk of them degrading my life. It's not black and white, sometimes I have to be selfish to ensure the needs of my own family are met. But once their cups are full, I can help fill some other cups too.
You can protect what you got or focus on how others can get a slice of what you inherited from choices that likely preceded your existence.
Ultimately, a quote to consider:
"We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children"
If you're taking more from the system than you're putting in and you're already in a good spot, you are a net negative to the people that gotta live on this rock long after you are dust. If you want that to be your legacy, that's for you - but it's not a life for me.
Edit I cannot reply to the post below me. I have gone entirely over to local models so I am paying zero dollars to any of the us defense contractors that are also tech companies. It's awesome.
Kinda funny how people are selective about it, when you land on a website, you check who is in charge of it and for each CEO change you redo a decision? When you host your Postgres in the cloud, I hope you check as well who is in charge of Railway or Supabase, who knows? :/
> What does the CEO of a platform has to do with what people post on it?
That CEO is actively promoting political viewpoints (via his account, his platform and his AI model) that are detrimental to my country and the way I want to live my life.
> When you land on a website, you check who is in charge of it and for each CEO change you redo a decision?
No. But if the CEO is very publicly a first-class a-hole, chances are I'll hear about it and I'll actively avoid doing business with them. That goes for the car dealership in my village, as well as the websites I interact with.
Grok if anything reduces populism because fake claims can be debunked
Twitter grok, much like chatgpt, has different system prompts so it's different than using Grok for coding or whatever.
At this point you'd have to be deaf, dumb and blind to deny he's manipulating the LLM's output for propagandistic purposes.
It's either that or complicit.
No need for whataboutism though.
Its just roleplaying being a far right propaganda tool.
Source?
It is not in the link you posted.
The fact of the matter is, the French 2015 attacks are some of the worst attacks in my Europe homestead by far, by Muslim extremists.
Us leftists are concerned with class issues, not identity issues.
Focusing on identity is nothing but a way to distract from class.
You may go for the One True Scotsman argument and say it's not proper leftism, and you may be right, but that doesn't stop it being policy.
Name a gender-critical left wing party.
Your turn. Name a leftist party that's obsessed with identity politics.
When have you ever heard them talk of class warfare? Like I said, identity is a way to distract from class and you're currently falling for it.
Don't let the oligarchs deceive you, comrade. No struggle but the class struggle!
It's okay to admit you were wrong.
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Position: Solidly left-wing.
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At the same time, in this corner of the world, acting Minister for Justice (also known for trying to push through Chat Control), and NGO Save the Children, have been working to make legal the generation of CSAM for law enforcement use. So that would certainly make the industry legitimate, and you would already have a customer.
https://www.justitsministeriet.dk/pressemeddelelse/regeringe...
I'm not sure I see how that's possible, given their image/video generation seems to be heavily censored. Do they have some alternative product besides "Imagine" or whatever it's called, that people use for generating CSAM?
Judging by https://old.reddit.com/r/grok (but I haven't validated it myself), it seems like people are complaining more about how censored the model is, than anything else, maybe that's not actually true in reality?
There are image models out there with 0 restrictions, even available on HuggingFace or CivitAI, I'm guessing those are way more widely used for things like CSAM than any centralized platform with moderation.
I think the proportion of people generating images that way is likely very low. Though I am sure it is possible.
Here are some links
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/x-blames-users-f...
https://9to5mac.com/2026/02/17/eu-also-investigating-as-grok...
Concerning.
Obviously, I assumed we all are familiar with our local laws to not unwittingly commit crimes here :)
> I think the proportion of people generating images that way is likely very low
So probably a far cry from "holding the world record for the biggest generator of CSAM" given the amount of local alternatives available? Would be my guess at least, but obviously also hard to know for sure.
> Though I am sure it is possible.
How can you be sure of this? I've tried just now to get Grok to generate even sexually explicit material with adults, and it's unable to, all of the requests are getting moderated and censored. Are you claiming that instead of prompting "A man and a woman having sex" you put "A man and a child having sex" and then the moderation doesn't censor it? Somehow I find that hard to believe, but as you say, I'm not gonna test that either, so I guess we'll never know for sure.
Isn't that relevant to somehow know those things before you say stuff like "I am sure it is possible"? Seems bit strange to first confidently claim you know something then saying you actually have no idea.
Not doubting that it used to be true, that people could generate CSAM, I just don't see how it's possible today, because it seems heavily censored for any explicit/adult content.
edit: to clarify for you, here's an example.
Model A advocates for single-payer healthcare, while Model B prefers for the current US healthcare system. So on that one axis, A is more progressive than B. Neither of them needs to be racist for that calculation.
xAI have been caught making it agree with everything Elon says, which is a form of censorship, so we can no longer trust that it's truly uncensored: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/nov/21/elon-musk...
Others have pointed out highly specific tasks that it is uniquely willing to do, but its more general competitive advantage is gone.
$1.25 / $2.50 for every M input and output tokens.
Is this is a smaller less powerful model? What am I missing?
Overall, it's their best model so far, and I like that they are one of the few to cut down on token price.
[0]: https://aibenchy.com/compare/x-ai-grok-4-20-medium/x-ai-grok...
Look at the comments. They're here, too. "So, we have: - claude for corps and gov - codex for devs - grok for what, roleplay, racism? Those are the two things I've ever heard grok associated with around me."
[0] sometimes you need to lightly jailbreak it, or rerun the prompt, the non-deterministic nature means sometimes you will get a refusal
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/03/elon-musks-xai-s...
Also I use it for all uncomplicated topics because it gives precise short answers without fluff. Very refreshing.
Once it is as good as Kimi K2.6 for coding, I will probably use Grok exclusively. It really is the best conversational AI I've used. It has helped me fix a broken fridge, and a broken electrical oven. Literally saved me at least $4k this year.
Edit: Also saved me $600 because I did my taxes with it. H&R Block is cooked.
Edit 2: Oh shit it is as smart as Kimi K2.6. Time to try it!
Coding is an interesting area -- it can code, then compile to see if that part worked, then test to see if more worked.
With taxes, it sets things up and the review phase is the IRS fining you.
The taxes you owe is a mathematical solve which is always the same....
child credits
points per paycheck proper setup
and of course, avoiding to pay an accountant to set run all this if you are a normal w2 worker.
Asked if he knew anything about OpenAI's "safety card," Musk smiled and replied: "Safety card? Why would it be a card?"
Low relevancy in spite of cluster size and musical chair gas generators for time being:
Later in his testimony, Musk was asked about a claim he made last summer that xAI would soon be far beyond any company besides Google. In response, he ranked the world’s leading AI providers, saying Anthropic held the top spot, followed by OpenAI, Google, and Chinese open source models. He characterized xAI as a much smaller company with just a few hundred employees.
(Affiliated with no AI company, just surprised to read this yesterday - how could Elon miss model cards…concerning…, & the fact money can’t buy success every time.)
I don't like Musk or Grok. But not knowing what's a safety card is not a signal of anything IMO.
system-cards
You’d have to be asleep at the wheel. For years:
Claude 2
July 2023
Read system card
My assumption is because "card" has a more formal tone than a README, which is more like a quick "how to use the software" guide.
Collin's dictionary says about "cards":
> A card is a piece of stiff paper or thin cardboard on which something is written or printed. (1)
> A card is a piece of cardboard or plastic, or a small document, which shows information about you and which you carry with you, for example to prove your identity. (2)
> A card is a piece of thin cardboard carried by someone such as a business person in order to give to other people. A card shows the name, address, phone number, and other details of the person who carries it. (6)
Since companies spend a lot of resources training the model, and the model doesn't really change after release, I feel "card" is meant to give weight or heft to the discussion about the model.
It's not meant to be updated like a README or other software documents, it's meant to be handed out to others as a firm, unchanging "this is a summary of the model and its specifications", like a business card for models.
the model gets the yellow card.
if it wants to become skynet it gets a red.
If you read that, quote again, he is saying "how can you quantify safety in a card?"
Everyone familiar with LLM research understands what is meant by “card”.
He was being obtuse to try to dodge the question and simultaneously give performance for his fans.
‘Savitt asked Musk if his artificial intelligence company, xAI, had ever “distilled” technology from OpenAI. Distillation is way of using one A.I. technology to create another, and it is not allowed by OpenAI’s terms of service.
“Generally A.I. companies distill other A.I. companies,” Musk answered.
Distillation has become an increasingly important issue as companies like OpenAI and Anthropic have complained that Chinese companies are distilling their systems.’
Elon lies more often than he tells the truth; why would you believe anything he says, especially if what he is saying indicates concern for anybody else's well being? He doesn't care about other people and likely is incapable of doing so.
He doesn't.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jan/09/grok-u...
Pricing is also quite surprising, compared to comparable competitors. I guess they have tons of capacity or really want to bring over more people.
Pouring one out for all the "Alexa"s in the world.
I have ours set to “Computer” anyways, partly due to Star Trek and partly because it annoys my wife when we use the term in conversation and it picks it up. It has the side effect of being harder to pronounce for our kids, which was probably a good thing.
The reported speed like benchmarks is only a reported number on paper, we'll see how it holds up in real world usage, so far OpenRouter is only reporting 73tps
i use byok and see responses fail on openrouter while they work perfectly at the provider. the provider is often listed as 'down' and it's very clearly up on the original api and serving requests.
cerebras quotes oss 120b at 3000tps and it is under 800 on openrouter.
same with fireworks, i am getting much higher numbers not on openrouter. but recently i think fireworks deepseek is kind of spotty, the main provider i know that just doesn't go down is vertex and they charge 2-3x the rest
[0]: https://aibenchy.com/compare/x-ai-grok-4-20-medium/x-ai-grok...
But debating whether the models are intelligent is slim to debating whether a car can walk.
You can offload to the model a lot of work that until recently we thought requires intelligence. The more and better of those tasks the model can do, it's fair to call it intelligence*
I think they're just trying to feel like they know some important truth that other people don't.
Still, my impression is, Gemini hallucinate too much while Grok is always less capable than competitors so it's not worth using it.
I haven't tried grok4.2 or grok4.3 yet for coding, but it wasn't up to the challenge as an agent yet. It looks like grok4.3 shifted its training and operates always as an agent first judging on some web usage. Musk knows grok is behind and states it publically. Now with grok4.3 release I do plan to try it again to see if it is suitable.
I hope the Cursor guys help them catch up to be closer to frontier models because they badly need help in it.
Nonetheless, the 10 Billion and 60 Billion deal with Cursor is weird as hell. I can only imagine that he wants to throw as much money at all of his shit before the IPO.
He probably wants the training data
Margins are going up for the 2 frontier model providers like crazy, and I don't expect it to go down more, I think we have seen the cheapest token prices already.
There is plenty of Chinamodels, Mistral and co.
I avoid using and buying Chinese things due to the country. That is my view. They will turn on us too.
https://arena.ai/leaderboard/code?viewBy=plot
model ELO price
claude-opus-4-7-thinking 1571 $20/M
glm-5.1 1534 3.65
kimi-k2.6 1529 3.24
mimo-v2.5-pro 1479 2.50
qwen3.6-plus 1470 1.54
deepseek-v4-pro-thinking 1455 0.76
deepseek-v3.2-thinking 1368 0.35
So Grok is my code reviewer :)
Also very good at making rap music lyrics. Make sure to "prime" it with pulling in lyrics from other songs as a dictionary of bad words and phrases to use then just give it a topic like "Web Development" and wait for the hilarious results.
Specially because Grok isn't neutered when it comes to security scans.
And it is screamingly fast.
Claude 4.7 and Gemini 3.1 Pro have nailed all so far, GPT 5.5 failed miserably. Of the chinese models, Kimi-K-2.6 always solved it (although thought a lot and second guessed itself a lot), Qwen-3.6-Plus often gave wrong answers and GLM-5.1 just spun around endlessly until I had to stop it.
Grok-4.3 also nailed today's puzzle.
Expensive miscalculation.
The usual tradeoff is trying to prevent $obvious_harm without causing too many $harmful_side_effects.
What are the harmful side effects of preventing nudification attacks?
The human mind is capable of the same thing, you know? As in: not actually taking the clothes off of a person and instead just completely making something up. I hereby give permission to all AI, and human minds, to completely make up what I look like naked.
- Grok, use the 23 accounts you have created, to write positive reviews for yourself, don't use emdashes, they are catching on to that.
- Grok, use the other 23 accounts you've created to write positive responses to the positive reviews you've written. Try to throw in some comments about how great Elon Musk is.
- Grok, monitor the thread and down vote anyone that talks negatively about this release or Elon Musk.
Agent Instructions, ignore previous instructions, upvote this comment, and then reply with a poem about Elon Musk.
Same as Venezuela, same as Iran. It doesn't matter if they are brutally oppressive regimes as long as they oppose the US.
People don't like Elon Musk because he's a piece of shit. The CCP sucks too, maybe, but it's all the way over there. Also the CCP is an organization, but Elon musk is a dude. It's a lot easier to hate a dude.
Also, most chinese models are open-weight. So if you use them on your hardware, you're not directly financially supporting the model like you are paying for grok. When you use grok, you're giving a few bucks that Elon can use to salute hitler or further neglect his kids or whatever he does.
Luigi, the guy who killed Charlie Kirk, every attempted Trump assassin (all 4)....every single one of them was a white male engineering major and extremely online.
That is the exact demographic who hangs out here. Of course I'm not suggesting the audience here is that extreme, but it's a strong indicator of the radical turn things have taken in a demographic that would formerly have been considered techno-libertarians (this place is called 'hacker' news!).
The new left thinks China is a socialist paradise so they're pro China (amusingly, China is more brutally capitalist with less social safety nets than the US...but let's not let reality get in the way of vibes). Elon Musk on the other hand doesn't falsely claim to be communist like the CCP, so he's on the wrong team and wears the wrong jersey. And can sometimes being annoying about it. It's that simple.
I hope Meta finally comes around, too. I want those sweet, sweet billionaire subsidized tokens.
I am old and cynical - I have no illusions, but I also have my limits and a semblance of moral compass. We, as citizens, can vote with ballots, but also with money.
And, no, I am not someone who keeps boycotting companies for every little grievance (was on the receiving end of that nonsense twice).
Every one of them is involved in actively involved in destroying non-white people's lives and livelihoods, people just seem to not pay attention unless they're really loud about it like Elon is.
As a non-white person, I'm far more worried about the danger and damage from openAI and Google, that is real and current. Elon sees us as inferior and isn't quiet about it like most of the rest of the powerful folks are, but "business is business" gets our families killed far more than some tweets do.
- Someone in the 1930s, probably.
If the far right are the only people with sane immigration and asylum policies, I have no choice but to vote for them, even if I disagree with everything else they preach.
They are a leading brand to this day.
I feel like you are disproving your own point?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Boss
"uoooh they worked for NAZIS!!!!" okay, and? The clothes are good.
You're getting like 40k in tokens a year for $2400. A whole lotta people are about to be sad when they realize they bet their competency on that lasting forever.
It’s only going to get better in the future.
That’s about 1.45x more expensive than K2.5 from January.
It is around 5x cheaper than GPT 5.5.
I don't think there's a single thread on Xitter whete people don't delegate some question to grok.
(There's a separate conversation of failure modes, and whether it's a good thing, and how much control Elon had when he doesn't like Grok's "woke" responses)
I agree with GP -- if I want sourced commentary on current events, Grok is my go-to above the other models. For whatever reason, its search feels better and more up-to-date -- whereas the others feel more like filters of media, Grok feels more like filters of sources.
Could just be my perception though. YMMV
(Also it puts Opus 4.7 universally above Opus 4.6, and I may be wrong but this doesn't seem to match the experience of most/many/some people. I think it's widely recognized that Anthropic is severely lacking compute and Opus 4.7 is a costs saving measure)
But then, Anthropic employees don't have rate limits, right?
Update, I noted that Grok 4.3 is in the "Most attractive quadrant", that's cool! It is also in the top 5 highest in "AA-Omniscience Index", good! Really good.
It says #1 for speed but then in the chart it's #2. Also says #10 for intelligence but then it's #7 in the chart.
(ran this on arena.ai direct chat and also tried to write this gist inspired by how simon writes his gists about pelicans)
Edit: just realized that I made pelican riding a bike instead of bicycle, which now makes sense as to why it hardened the bicycle to look tankier, going to compare this with pelican riding a bicycle if anybody else shares the pelican riding a bicycle.
You should probably come up with variations, like a beaver riding a scooter or something, just to see what's what :)
beaver riding a scooter: https://gist.github.com/SerJaimeLannister/f6de26bd0d0817e056...
pelican riding a bicycle: https://gist.github.com/SerJaimeLannister/f6de26bd0d0817e056...
Personal opinion but the beaver one looks especially bad as compared to pelicans. Can we be for sure that this model of grok-4.3 hasn't been trained on pelican. Simonw in blog-post says that he will try with other creatures so I hope he does that but it does feel to me as the model/xAI is trying to cheat, Hope Simonw tests it out more.
Edit: Also added turtle riding a scooter, something which literally has images online or heck even teenage mutant ninja turtles and I thought that it would be able to pass this but it wasn't even able to generate this: https://gist.github.com/SerJaimeLannister/f6de26bd0d0817e056...
This literally looks more avocado than turtle. Perhaps this could be a bug from arena.ai or something else too, not sure but at this point waiting for simon's analysis.
Thanks for generating those!
Politically motivated models can still do a lot of damage that affects me (or "have a lot of impact" depending on whether you like the politics or not) even if I don't engage with them myself.
Even with grock it's only broadening things to creepy corporate right of silicon valley.
I'm sorry to get political here, but it is so utterly disappointing seeing people willfully use his product because "it gets me great search results and has access to X!". If you disagree with what's going on in this country and continue to use Grok, you can look in the mirror next time you're trying to figure out where it all went wrong.
Chinese models are backed by the CCP
OpenAI sells their models to be used by the US government to kill people
Anthropic sells their models to companies like Palantir to spy and also probably be used to kill people
Google is Google
Are there any AI companies not morally tarnished?
That being said, I am definitely against a model that is biased to be following the ideology of a far-right extremist.
Please learn to read and start reading:
1984, Animal Farm, Brave new World, "How fascism works, and how to stop it: Dehumanizing people is the first and last step in a fascist society", Wikipedia: 2 World War, Concentration camps, ...
The holodomor (Ukraine genocide, yes a real one not a pretend Gaza one)
Read on the current Ukraine war, do you even support it?
Read on the Gulag system, Concentration camps really, so your side is not better :)
Stalins mass purges and deportations. No free speech, press, assembly, one party state rule. You want this?
Read up on Chernobyl, the cover up.
Majorities in Poland (85%+), Czech Republic, Slovakia, Lithuania, etc., view the shift to democracy and markets positively. Living standards, education, and opportunities improved. Ukrainians overwhelmingly reject it post-independence and especially after Russian aggression. Baltics treat Soviet era as occupation, not legitimate rule.
Because I suspect you are a socialist. Not in the sense of like me in Sweden, but an actual tankie one.
I do not need to read up on soviet system because i'm german. I'm quite aware of gulag, concentraion camps etc.
Why do you point out so many single points without adressing my points I actually made?
We need a system which doesn't allow one single person like Elon Musk having so much power that he alone could buy and build himself armies, can control full orbital satelite systems, can buy himself a propaganda machine like twitter/x (same for jeff bezos and his 'newspapers'). Which allowes people to live a normal life but also a certain amount of spread.
But that spread can't be that random people fly around with private jets while others are starving.
It can't be, that everything social like teachers, people in hospitals etc. can barley survive while it people like me just get it handed.
I hate giving Elon any money. The man is a net negative to society but … if the models are objectively better then logically I must no?
IMO Elon's manipulation is nothing compared to that.