160 pointsby AndrewVos9 hours ago25 comments
  • AndrewVos8 hours ago
    Hi Hacker News, I'm Andrew, the CTO of Endless Toil.

    Endless Toil is building the emotional observability layer for AI-assisted software development.

    As engineering teams adopt coding agents, the next challenge is understanding not just what agents produce, but how the codebase feels to work inside. Endless Toil gives developers a real-time signal for complexity, maintainability, and architectural strain by translating code quality into escalating human audio feedback.

    We are currently preparing our pre-seed round and speaking with early-stage investors who are excited about developer tools, agentic engineering workflows, and the future of AI-native software teams.

    If you are investing in the next generation of software infrastructure, we would love to talk.

    • ottah4 hours ago
      I've read that your synthetic torment is actually low paid workers in Asia, and that your models can't properly experience anguish. How are you expecting investment, if you haven't even solved artificial suffering?
    • ryandrake3 hours ago
      This sounds like a cheeky joke project, but assuming it's not, it got me thinking: I wonder if coding AI can be effectively and reliably prompted into minimizing its own anguish. Like, "don't write code that is going to make you (or I) suffer." And along those lines, do we know if the things that make AIs suffer are the same things that make human developers suffer? Perhaps the least-agonizing code for an LLM to ingest looks radically different and more/less verbose than what we human developers would see as clean, beautiful code...
    • mapt3 hours ago
      This sounds a lot like the object of the seminal science fiction work "Don't Build The Torment Nexus".
      • LeifCarrotson2 hours ago
        "Don't build the Torment Nexus" is apocryphal, but Lena/MMacevedo is a real fictional story:

        https://qntm.org/mmacevedo

        I shudder to think that someone's going to try to emulate that.

    • shartsan hour ago
      Just add some audible vocal groans and moans that trigger whenever an agent is “thinking.”.
      • npodbielski16 minutes ago
        Should be showering sounds. Or walking in circles. And of course head scratching. As the las resort it should be fridge opening and 'meh' of resignation.
    • binarysolo2 hours ago
      I audibly LOLed mid-standup call, and now my entire team is playing with this and it looks like this is eating up what little productivity we have on Friday.

      Thanks Endless Toil!

    • vermilingua5 hours ago
      Missed it by 24 days.
    • idiotsecant4 hours ago
      Too real.
    • bguberfain3 hours ago
      This guy seems to be talking seriously.
    • isolay5 hours ago
      Endless Toil is the future. I believe in you, guys.
    • Caius-Cosades2 hours ago
      "Yes, the binaric screams of the machine spirit are an irreplecable part of this project. The project depends no it. No, I will not elaborate further."
  • fredley8 hours ago
    I need a version of this which swears loudly when an assumption it made turns out to be wrong, with the volume/passion/verbosity correlated with how many tokens it's burned on the incorrect approach.
    • shivaniShimpi_7 hours ago
      i didnt realize i needed the volume scaling with tokens burned as much as i do now xD imagine the screaming when it confidently refactors something for 40k tokens and then finds out the thing it deleted was load bearing
      • AndrewVos3 hours ago
        This was actually the original idea of the project, but I only had about 20 seconds to type the prompt for this today so this is where it is :)
      • aleksiy1234 hours ago
        Honestly think we probably underutilise sound sometimes.

        Even just having a hum while an agent is working could alert you when it get stuck.

        Or taking your idea further being able to listen to the rate of tokens, or code changes, or thinking.

        Sort of like hearing the machinery work, and hearing the differences in different parts of the code base.

        Does python sound different than rust or c++ or typescript.

        Or some kind of satisfying sounds for code deletions and others for additions. Like Tetris.

        • BrandoElFollito3 hours ago
          A long, long time ago I wrote a tool to beep at various tones as lines were added to a log. It was a background noise I would not notice, except when it was changing because of some unusual activites.

          It was very interesting to see the brain filering expected soinds and wake me up (or rather grab my attention) when unexpected ones appeared.

      • ben306 hours ago
        I have in my agents file “Chesterton’s fence” as pointer to think carefully before you remove something
      • vasco6 hours ago
        I have general reviewer named Feynman with his personality that shits on anything other agents do and sends it back before it hits me and it sounds perfect to include some sound bites from YouTube clips. Great idea!!
    • HPsquared4 hours ago
      Like the old HDD sounds.

      Audible feedback is nice. You often get it through coil whine nowadays, on my cheap hardware at least.

    • amelius5 hours ago
      I want a version that I can punish.
    • jetbalsa3 hours ago
      That or having it start shit posting about your crappy code base on https://moltshit.com
    • whattheheckheck5 hours ago
      Now you know the feeling of VP when the team says they need to refactor stuff
  • deathlock5 hours ago
    Any chance you could add a video showcasing the plugin? I don't have any agentic app but I would love to see an example of what it does!
    • AndrewVos4 hours ago
      Well that took a lot longer than expected, but there is now a demo video.
  • tpoindex5 hours ago
    Marvelous!

    Next innovation in this space should be the robotic arm that issues a dope-slap to the developer for writing crappy/buggy/insecure code.

    • a_t482 hours ago
      Only if you want the slap to include a free trip to the hospital.

      I've worked direct with "collaborative arms" before. They are supposed to be safe for humans to be around. The dents I put in the side of the casing of the arm somewhat said otherwise.

    • Mithriil5 hours ago
      Add the feature of doing a high five for the rare cases when it's actually good.
    • joshmarlow5 hours ago
      I propose a claude skill to email glitter bombs where appropriate.
      • radley4 hours ago
        No. Please, no. For the love of everything no.

        But it'll happen. ChatGPT for sure.

  • rob746 hours ago
    I wish the agents could hear me when I have to suffer through their code!
    • isolay5 hours ago
      And then what? Their gigahertz machine hearts will skip a beat out of empathy?
  • AndreVitorio8 hours ago
    This desperately needs a demo video in the repo.
  • esperent8 hours ago
    I tried it but all I hear is a choir of angels, is it broken?
    • medwezys8 hours ago
      I guess you’re working on a greenfield project?
    • AndrewVos8 hours ago
      Actually, that's not a bad idea!
  • lorenzohess6 hours ago
    Please add Minecraft hurt sound effects for when my project fails to build, linter fails, segfault, etc
  • gavmor4 hours ago
    Unneeded when using local models, as every workload produces a novel pattern of coil whine from the GPU.
  • js82 hours ago
    I wonder if it emits orgasmic moans when working with a particularly pleasureable codebase.
  • tuo-lei5 hours ago
    the scan catches surface stuff. funnier signal would be tracking when the agent reads the same file 3 times in a row, or deletes what it just wrote. you can hear the frustration in the access pattern.
    • AndrewVos3 hours ago
      That’s a good point, I wonder if just tracking file reads as an app outside the agent would work
  • totallygeekyan hour ago
    Please stop ascribing emotion to code that passably resembles speech.

    These things do not think, nor feel, nor dream. We're cratering the world's economy because people can't stop trying to fuck the computer they stuck googly eyes on.

  • maerF0x05 hours ago
    this is wtfs per minute but now with AI! :all_the_things!:

    https://www.osnews.com/story/19266/wtfsm/

    I would really love to know if the groaning decreases or increases the more "agentic" (agent written) the code base is?

  • 8-prime8 hours ago
    Does this actually relate to the code quality being observed by the agent? The readme isn't very clear on that IMO. I have some projects I'd love to try this out on, but only if I am to get an accurate representation of the LLMs suffering.
  • lagniappe3 hours ago
    • llbbdd2 hours ago
      I'm glad I scrolled down; my first thought was to fork this and add a fart soundpack, because part of me is forever 12
  • x1874635 hours ago
    From a quick look, this doesn't have the model evaluate code quality, but it runs a heuristic analysis script over the code to determine the groan signal. Did I miss something? Why not leave it to the model to decide the quality of the code?
    • isolay5 hours ago
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      • AndrewVos4 hours ago
        Please email us to talk Enterprise Plan pricing, actually.
  • melbazpeach2 hours ago
    Is somebody going to give you money to do this?
  • melbazpeach2 hours ago
    Why? I don’t understand the objective for this?
  • greg_dc8 hours ago
    Honestly, I don't care about Opus 4.7. This is the true evolution of agentic coding.
    • AndrewVos4 hours ago
      Thank you, I hope my investors feel the same.
  • hansmayer5 hours ago
    In the absence of real productive use cases for AI agents, I guess plugins to anthropomorphise them fruther will have to do.
    • sixothree4 hours ago
      How so?
      • hansmayer4 hours ago
        How so what? 6 years in, we're still looking for that flood of new innovative apps and one-man billion dollar startups. Instead we got a flood of sh*t content, embarassing outages and "AI workflows" - which no one can quite describe. Or did you have something else in mind?
        • sixothree3 hours ago
          You're being over-opinionated for something you don't understand.

          You should really try these tools out with an open mind. I know you won't take that last bit of advice, so this makes you not worth my time. But I can tell you this - these tools make people productive in ways you aren't understanding.

          • hansmayer3 hours ago
            You're funny mate :) Read a bit through my comments' history. I've been using "these tools" before folks like you even heard of the term LLM. But I guess I am not easily impressed.
  • xydone4 hours ago
    Maybe I'm the person who yells at clouds but I find the personification of LLMs, for lack of better, less strong words, horrific.
  • coldcity_again8 hours ago
    I really want this! Any chance of a Cursor version?
    • AndrewVos7 hours ago
      I just added a cursor plugin to the repo, let me know how it goes!
    • sixothree4 hours ago
      People are continuing to use Cursor?
      • nrclark3 hours ago
        out of curiosity - any reason not to use it?
  • philipwhiuk6 hours ago
    • AndrewVos4 hours ago
      Excuse me, that's our IP!
  • j_gonzalez3 hours ago
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