73 pointsby benbeingbin3 hours ago21 comments
  • hintymad15 minutes ago
    In the latest interview with Claude Code's author: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lennys-podcast-product..., Boris said that writing code is a solved problem. This brings me to a hypothetical question: what if engineers stop contributing to open source, in which case would AI still be powerful enough to learn the knowledge of software development in the future? Or is the field of computer science plateaued to the point that most of what we do is linear combination of well established patterns?
    • fhub5 minutes ago
      He is likely working on a very clean codebase where all the context is already reachable or indexed. There are probably strong feedback loops via tests. Some areas I contribute to have these characteristics, and the experience is very similar to his. But in areas where they don’t exist, writing code isn’t a solved problem until you can restructure the codebase to be more friendly to agents.

      Even with full context, writing CSS in a project where vanilla CSS is scattered around and wasn’t well thought out originally is challenging. Coding agents struggle there too, just not as much as humans, even with feedback loops through browser automation.

    • biztos8 minutes ago
      Or does the field become plateaued because engineers treat "writing code" as a "solved problem?"

      We could argue that writing poetry is a solved problem in much the same way, and while I don't think we especially need 50,000 people writing poems at Google, we do still need poets.

      • hintymad5 minutes ago
        > we especially need 50,000 people writing poems at Google, we do still need poets.

        I'd assume that an implied concern of most engineers is how many software engineers the world will need in the future. If it's the situation like the world needing poets, then the field is only for the lucky few. Most people would be out of job.

  • m_kean hour ago
    It's the new underpaid employee that you're training to replace you.

    People need to understand that we have the technology to train models to do anything that you can do on a computer, only thing that's missing is the data.

    If you can record a human doing anything on a computer, we'll soon have a way to automate it

    • xyzzy12341 minutes ago
      Sure, but do you want abundance of software, or scarcity?

      The price of having "star trek computers" is that people who work with computers have to adapt to the changes. Seems worth it?

      • worldsayshi28 minutes ago
        My only objection here is that technology wont save us unless we also have a voice in how it is used. I don't think personal adaptation is enough for that. We need to adapt our ways to engage with power.
      • almostdeadguy8 minutes ago
        Both abundance and scarcity can be bad. If you can't imagine a world where abundance of software is a very bad thing, I'd suggest you have a limited imagination?
    • agumonkey19 minutes ago
      It's a strange economical morbid dependency. AI companies promises incredible things but AI agents cannot produce it themselves, they need to eat you slowly first.
    • Gigachad31 minutes ago
      Data clearly isn't the only issue. LLMs have been trained on orders of magnitude more data than any person has ever seen.
    • xnxan hour ago
      Exactly. If there's any opportunity around AI it goes to those who have big troves of custom data (Google Workspace, Office 365, Adobe, Salesforce, etc.) or consultants adding data capture/surveillance of workers (especially high paid ones like engineers, doctors, lawyers).
    • badgersnake27 minutes ago
      I think we’re past the “if only we had more training data” myth now. There are pretty obviously far more fundamental issues with LLMs than that.
    • poloticsan hour ago
      How much practice have you got on software development with agentic assistance. Which rough edges, surprising failure modes, unexpected strengths and weaknesses, have you already identified?

      How much do you wish someone else had done your favorite SOTA LLM's RLHF?

    • cesarvarelaan hour ago
      LLMs have a large quantity of chess data and still can't play for shit.
      • dwohnitmokan hour ago
        Not anymore. This benchmark is for LLM chess ability: https://github.com/lightnesscaster/Chess-LLM-Benchmark?tab=r.... LLMs are graded according to FIDE rules so e.g. two illegal moves in a game leads to an immediate loss.

        This benchmark doesn't have the latest models from the last two months, but Gemini 3 (with no tools) is already at 1750 - 1800 FIDE, which is approximately probably around 1900 - 2000 USCF (about USCF expert level). This is enough to beat almost everyone at your local chess club.

        • cesarvarela28 minutes ago
          Yeah, but 1800 FIDE players don't make illegal moves, and Gemini does.
        • runarberg28 minutes ago
          Wait, I may be missing something here. These benchmarks are gathered by having models play each other, and the second illegal move forfeits the game. This seems like a flawed method as the models who are more prone to illegal moves are going to bump the ratings of the models who are less likely.

          Additionally, how do we know the model isn’t benchmaxxed to eliminate illegal moves.

          For example, here is the list of games by Gemini-3-pro-preview. In 44 games it preformed 3 illegal moves (if I counted correctly) but won 5 because opponent forfeits due to illegal moves.

          https://chessbenchllm.onrender.com/games?page=5&model=gemini...

          I suspect the ratings here may be significantly inflated due to a flaw in the methodology.

          EDIT: I want to suggest a better methodology here (I am not gonna do it; I really really really don’t care about this technology). Have the LLMs play rated engines and rated humans, the first illegal move forfeits the game (same rules apply to humans).

          • emp173448 minutes ago
            That’s a devastating benchmark design flaw. Sick of these bullshit benchmarks designed solely to hype AI. AI boosters turn around and use them as ammo, despite not understanding them.
        • deadbabe33 minutes ago
          Why do we care about this? Chess AI have long been solved problems and LLMs are just an overly brute forced approach. They will never become very efficient chess players.

          The correct solution is to have a conventional chess AI as a tool and use the LLM as a front end for humanized output. A software engineer who proposes just doing it all via raw LLM should be fired.

          • rodiger29 minutes ago
            It's a proxy for generalized reasoning.

            The point isn't that LLMs are the best AI architecture for chess.

            • runarberg24 minutes ago
              > It's a proxy for generalized reasoning.

              And so for I am only convinced that they have only succeeded on appearing to have generalized reasoning. That is, when an LLM plays chess they are performing Searle’s Chinese room thought experiment while claiming to pass the Turing test

      • iugtmkbdfil834an hour ago
        Hm.. but do they need it.. at this point, we do have custom tools that beat humans. In a sense, all LLM need is a way to connect to that tool ( and the same is true is for counting and many other aspects ).
        • Windchaser44 minutes ago
          Yeah, but you know that manually telling the LLM to operate other custom tools is not going to be a long-term solution. And if an LLM could design, create, and operate a separate model, and then return/translate its results to you, that would be huge, but it also seems far away.

          But I'm ignorant here. Can anyone with a better background of SOTA ML tell me if this is being pursued, and if so, how far away it is? (And if not, what are the arguments against it, or what other approaches might deliver similar capacities?)

          • yunyu3 minutes ago
            This has been happening for the past year on verifiable problems (did the change you made in your codebase work end-to-end, does this mathematical expression validate, did I win this chess match, etc...). The bulk of data, RL environment, and inference spend right now is on coding agents (or broadly speaking, tool use agents that can make their own tools).

            Recent advances in mathematical/physics research have all been with coding agents making their own "tools" by writing programs: https://openai.com/index/new-result-theoretical-physics/

      • BeetleB28 minutes ago
        Are you saying an LLM can't produce a chess engine that will easily beat you?
        • emp173447 minutes ago
          Plagiarizing Stockfish doesn’t make me good at chess. Same principle applies.
      • menaerus24 minutes ago
        Did you already forget about the AlphaZero?
  • finnjohnsen232 minutes ago
    I like this. This is an accurate state of AI at this very moment for me. The LLM is (just) a tool which is making me "amplified" for coding and certain tasks.

    I will worry about developers being completely replaced when I see something resembling it. Enough people worry about that (or say it to amp stock prices) -- and they like to tell everyone about this future too. I just don't see it.

    • DrewADesign29 minutes ago
      Amplified means more work done by fewer people. It doesn’t need to replace a single entire functional human being to do things like kill the demand for labor in dev, which in turn, will kill salaries.
      • finnjohnsen225 minutes ago
        I would disagree. Amplified meens me and you get more s** done.

        Unless there a limited amount of software we need to produce per year globally to keep everyone happy, then nobody wants more -- and we happen to be at that point right NOW this second.

        I think not. We can make more (in less time) and people will get more. This is the mental "glass half full" approach I think. Why not take this mental route instead? We don't know the future anyway.

        • kiba21 minutes ago
          Jevon's paradox means this is untrue because it means more work not less.
        • inglor_cz6 minutes ago
          Hm. More of what? Functionality, security, performance?

          Current software is often buggy because the pressure to ship is just too high. If AI can fix some loose threads within, the overall quality grows.

          Personally, I would welcome a massive deployment of AI to root out various zero-days from widespread libraries.

          But we may instead get a larger quantity of even more buggy software.

      • emp1734411 minutes ago
        This is incorrect. It’s basic economics - technology that boosts productivity results in higher salaries and more jobs.
        • gorjusborg3 minutes ago
          Well, that depends on whether the technology requires expertise that is rare and/or hard to acquire.

          I'd say that using AI tools effectively to create software systems is in that class currently, but it isn't necessarily always going to be the case.

    • cogman1029 minutes ago
      The more likely outcome is that fewer devs will be hired as fewer devs will be needed to accomplish the same amount of output.
      • HPsquared14 minutes ago
        The old shrinking markets aka lump of labour fallacy. It's a bit like dreaming of that mythical day, when all of the work will be done.
        • cogman109 minutes ago
          No it's not that.

          Tell me, when was the last time you visited your shoe cobbler? How about your travel agent? Have you chatted with your phone operator recently?

          The lump labour fallacy says it's a fallacy that automation reduces the net amount of human labor, importantly, across all industries. It does not say that automation won't eliminate or reduce jobs in specific industries.

          It's an argument that jobs lost to automation aren't a big deal because there's always work somewhere else but not necessarily in the job that was automated away.

  • oxag3n36 minutes ago
    > We're thinking about AI wrong.

    And this write up is not an exception.

    Why even bother thinking about AI, when Anthropic and OpenAI CEOs openly tell us what they want (quote from recent Dwarkesh interview) - "Then further down the spectrum, there’s 90% less demand for SWEs, which I think will happen but this is a spectrum."

    So save thinking and listen to intent - replace 90% of SWEs in near future (6-12 months according to Amodei).

    • Galanwe27 minutes ago
      I don't think anyone serious believes this. Replacing developers with a less costly alternative is obviously a very market bullish dream, it has existed since as long as I've worked in the field. First it was supposed to be UML generated code by "architects", then it was supposed to be developers from developing countries, then no-code frameworks, etc.

      AI will be a tool, no more no less. Most likely a good one, but there will still need to be people driving it, guiding it, fixing for it, etc.

      All these discourses from CEO are just that, stock market pumping, because tech is the most profitable sector, and software engineers are costly, so having investors dream about scale + less costs is good for the stock price.

      • oxag3n10 minutes ago
        Ah, don't take me wrong - I don't believe it's possible for LLMs to replace 90% or any number of SWEs with existing technology.

        All I'm saying is - why to think what AI is (exoskeleton, co-worker, new life form), when its owners intent is to create SWE replacement?

        If your neighbor is building a nuclear reactor in his shed from a pile of smoke detectors, you don't say "think about this as a science experiment" because it's impossible, just call police/NRC because of intent and actions.

    • jacquesm31 minutes ago
      Not without some major breakthrough. What's hilarious is that all these developers building the tools are going to be the first to be without jobs. Their kids will be ecstatic: "Tell me again, dad, so, you had this awesome and well paying easy job and you wrecked it? Shut up kid, and tuck in that flap, there is too much wind in our cardboard box."
      • metaltyphoon29 minutes ago
        I have a feeling they internally say "not me, I won't be replaced" and just keep moving...
        • oxag3n28 minutes ago
          Or they get FY money and fatFIRE.
  • xlerb44 minutes ago
    Humans don’t have an internal notion of “fact” or “truth.” They generate statistically plausible text.

    Reliability comes from scaffolding: retrieval, tools, validation layers. Without that, fluency can masquerade as authority.

    The interesting question isn’t whether they’re coworkers or exoskeletons. It’s whether we’re mistaking rhetoric for epistemology.

    • whyenot26 minutes ago
      > LLMs aren’t built around truth as a first-class primitive.

      neither are humans

      > They optimize for next-token probability and human approval, not factual verification.

      while there are outliers, most humans also tend to tell people what they want to hear and to fit in.

      > factuality is emergent and contingent, not enforced by architecture.

      like humans; as far as we know, there is no "factuality" gene, and we lie to ourselves, to others, in politics, scientific papers, to our partners, etc.

      > If we’re going to treat them as coworkers or exoskeletons, we should be clear about that distinction.

      I don't see the distinction. Humans exhibit many of the same behaviours.

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      • 1341523 minutes ago
        Strangely, the GP replaced the ChatGPT-generated text you're commenting on by an even worse and more misleading ChatGPT-generated one. Perhaps in order to make a point.
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    • kiba27 minutes ago
      A much more useful tool is a technology that check for our blind spots and bugs.

      For example fact checking a news article and making sure what's get reported line up with base reality.

      I once fact check a virology lecture and found out that the professor confused two brothers as one individual.

      I am sure about the professor having a super solid grasp of how viruses work, but errors like these probably creeps in all the time.

  • pavlovan hour ago
    > “The AI handles the scale. The human interprets the meaning.”

    Claude is that you? Why haven’t you called me?

    • ares623an hour ago
      But the meaning has been scaled massively. So the human still kinda needs to handle the scale.
  • acjohnson5522 minutes ago
    > Autonomous agents fail because they don't have the context that humans carry around implicitly.

    Yet.

    This is mostly a matter of data capture and organization. It sounds like Kasava is already doing a lot of this. They just need more sources.

    • bwestergard15 minutes ago
      Self-conscious efforts to formalize and concentrate information in systems controlled by firm management, known as "scientific management" by its proponents and "Taylorism" by many of its detractors, are a century old[1]. It has proven to be a constantly receding horizon.

      [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_management

  • delichon2 hours ago
    If we find an AI that is truly operating as an independent agent in the economy without a human responsible for it, we should kill it. I wonder if I'll live long enough to see an AI terminator profession emerge. We could call them blade runners.
    • orpheaan hour ago

        > an AI that is truly operating as an independent agent in the economy without a human responsible for it
      
      Sounds like the "customer support" in any large company (think Google, for example), to be honest.
    • WolfeReaderan hour ago
      It happened not too long ago! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46990729
      • Windchaser43 minutes ago
        Was it ever verified that this was an independent AI?
  • bGl2YW5jan hour ago
    I like the analogy and will ponder it more. But it didn't take long before the article started spruiking Kasava's amazing solution to the problem they just presented.
  • givemeethekeys33 minutes ago
    Closer to a really capable intern. Lots of potential for good and bad; needs to be watched closely.
    • badgersnake25 minutes ago
      I’ve been playing with qwen3-coder recently and that intern is definitely not getting hired, despite the rave reviews elsewhere.
  • yifanl43 minutes ago
    AI is not an exoskeleton, it's a pretzel.
  • dwheeler44 minutes ago
    I prefer the term "assistant". It can do some tasks, but today's AI often needs human guidance for good results.
  • hintymad39 minutes ago
    Or software engineers are not coachmen while AI is diesel engine to horses. Instead, software engineers are mistrels -- they disappear if all they do is moving knowledge from one place to another.
  • sibeliuss23 minutes ago
    This utterly boring AI writing. Go, please go away...
  • ge96an hour ago
    It's funny developing AI stuff eg. RAG tools and being against AI at the same time, not drinking the kool aid I mean.

    But it's fun, I say "Henceforth you shall be known as Jaundice" and it's like "Alright my lord, I am now referred to as Jaundice"

  • xnxan hour ago
    An electric bicycle for the mind.
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    • clickety_clackan hour ago
      Maybe more of a mobility scooter for the mind.
      • xnx35 minutes ago
        Indeed that may be more apt.

        I like the ebike analogy because [on many ebikes] you can press the button to go or pedal to amplify your output.

    • nancyminusonean hour ago
      An electric chair for the mind?
    • ares623an hour ago
      I prefer mind vibe-rator.
  • mikkupikkuan hour ago
    Exoskeletons sound cool but somebody please put an LLM into a spider tank.
  • functionmousean hour ago
    blogger who fancies themselves an ai vibe code guru with 12 arms and a 3rd eye yet can't make a homepage that's not totally broken

    How typical!

  • lukevan hour ago
    Frankly I'm tired of metaphor-based attempts to explain LLMs.

    Stochastic Parrots. Interns. Junior Devs. Thought partners. Bicycles for the mind. Spicy autocomplete. A blurry jpeg of the web. Calculators but for words. Copilot. The term "artificial intelligence" itself.

    These may correspond to a greater or lesser degree with what LLMs are capable of, but if we stick to metaphors as our primary tool for reasoning about these machines, we're hamstringing ourselves and making it impossible to reason about the frontier of capabilities, or resolve disagreements about them.

    A understanding-without-metaphors isn't easy -- it requires a grasp of math, computer science, linguistics and philosophy.

    But if we're going to move forward instead of just finding slightly more useful tropes, we have to do it. Or at least to try.

    • gf26341 minutes ago
      “The day you teach the child the name of the bird, the child will never see that bird again.”
  • blibblean hour ago
    an exoskeleten made of cheese
  • filipeisho34 minutes ago
    By reading the title, I already know you did not try OpenClaw. AI employees are here.
    • esafak11 minutes ago
      What are your digital 'employees' doing? Did they replace any humans or was there nobody before?
    • BeetleB29 minutes ago
      Looking into OpenClaw, I really do want to believe all the hype. However, it's frustrating that I can find very few, concrete examples of people showcasing their work with it.

      Can you highlight what you've managed to do with it?