Invoking NAT "security" as a reason against IPv6 is a surefire indicator the person invoking it has absolutely no idea what they're talking about and should not be allowed within typing distance of any network infrastructure

This has been gospel among snooty network engineers for decades, but NAT was initially introduced to the wider market as a security feature, and it is absolutely a material factor in securing networks. The network engineers are wrong about this.

(IPv6 is still good for lots of other reasons, and NAT isn't good security; just material.)

This is the first thing that as a Network Engineer I was taught - and every formal security class I've taken (typically from Cisco - they have awesome course) - repeats the same thing.

I believe the common knowledge is somewhat more nuanced than people would have you believe

I present to you two separate high-value targets whose IP address has leaked:

  IPv4 Target: 192.168.0.1
  IPv6 Target: 2001:1868:209:FFFD:0013:50FF:FE12:3456

Target #1 has an additional level of security in that you need to figure out how to route to that IP address, and heck - who it even belongs to.

Target #2 gives aways 90% of the game at attacking it (we even leak some device specific information, so you know precisely where it's weak points are)

Also - while IPv6 lacks NAT, it certainly has a very effective Prefix-translation mechanism which is the best of both worlds:

Here is a real world target:

  FDC2:1045:3216:0001:0013:50FF:FE12:3456

You are going to have a tough time routing to it - but it can transparently access anything on the internet - either natively or through a Prefix-translation target should you wish to go that direction.

This is going to depend on the router and on IP distribution.

My ISP does not give me an IPv6 address, only a single IPv6 which all my network devices have to NAT through.

NAT is not intended to be a security feature, for sure, but it creates security as a side effect. If I start up a web server on one of my devices, I know that it is unreachable from the Internet unless I go out of my way to set a port forward on my router.

But...if my ISP decides to start handing out IPv6, that can change. If each of my devices gets an Internet routable IPv6 address, at that point, that security-as-a-side-effect is not guaranteed unless my router has a default-deny firewall. I would hope that any routers would ship with that.

But if my ISP still gives me only a single IPv6 address and I'm still needing to use NAT, then I'm guaranteed to still effectively have a "default deny" inbound firewall policy.

NAT is not inherently a security feature, however where NAT happens is somewhat important.

A local router that I can control deals with how to map from my public IP to my private IPs.

This is not security but is obfuscation of the traffic.

Obfuscation becomes almost impossible in the IPV6 context where NAT isn't necessary, it becomes optional, and given the likely trajectory that option will be exercised by sophisticated enterprise customers only.

> The consequence of this is that when receiving inbound traffic, the router needs needs to be configured with where to send the traffic on the local network. As a result, it will drop any traffic that doesn’t appear in the “port forwarding” table for the NAT.

As I keep trying to explain each time this comes up: no, it doesn't and it won't.

When your router receives incoming traffic that isn't matched by a NAT state table entry or static port forward, it doesn't drop it. Instead, it processes that traffic in _exactly_ the same way it would have done if there was no NAT going on: it reads the dst IP header and (in the absence of a firewall) routes the packet to whatever IP is written there. Routers don't drop packets by default, so neither will routers that also do NAT.

Of course, this just strengthens your point that NAT isn't security.

Not wishing to undermine the central point, NAT for v6 is a thing. The point of the article is that it's not "NAT by default" the way home IPv4 is because so few places worldwide get more than a single IP per customer: The NAT is not there in v4 for security, it's to provide for multiple devices inside the home. Or, in the case of Carrier-Grade NAT, to manage multiple customers, behind a small pool of v4.

NAT doesn't exist to be secure. If it is, (and that is debatable because NAT busting is a thing) then, it's a side-effect.

NAT for v6 is not common. If you use ULA, you'd possibly use NAT for v6 in some circumstances.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6296

Agreed with the main message.

... but

An incoming message to an IPv4 NAT router will not be forwarded to a LAN device unless it matches a known flow (typically continuation of a conversation, typically initiated by the LAN device, which is expected), or the user set up a DMZ forward to a particular destination. There is actually no reasonable way for non-DMZ LAN devices to be exposed to the noise.

For non-NAT IPv6, sure a firewall might be on by default, but it can be turned off - and therein lies the potential exposure to every LAN device to directed traffic.

In other words, the risky zone for IPv4 NAT tends to be setting up a DMZ exposing 1 device, while the risky zone for IPv6 non-firewalled tends to be exposing all of the devices behind the router.