108 pointsby cowlevelan hour ago17 comments
  • cowlevel18 minutes ago
    Bet this will be flagged within 8 hours. The lack of "vouch" for submissions is really convenient for flag-trolls. Maybe they'll restrict my account too.
  • throwaw1238 minutes ago
    Looks like couple of Israeli terrorists and p*dophiles in the US are taking over the world, what are the ways to stop them?

    What's next after ICC, start of slavery?

    • blackerbraidtha34 minutes ago
      It never went away. See prison factories in USA, and forced labour in China.
      • throwaw1232 minutes ago
        At least, its not in the law today, imagine they make it official and being born to a slave family and being slave forever, including your kids.
        • cowlevel20 minutes ago
          Reality is more important than law and a lot of times it's already like that, just not in the law
        • gnull31 minutes ago
          Heard of wage slavery?
  • giva36 minutes ago
    US was already "de facto" immune from the court.

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2002/08/03/us-hague-invasion-act-be...

    This is done just to please some foreign pals.

  • momfer23 minutes ago
    The source is not without controversy in the Netherlands.
  • ignoramous27 minutes ago
    > The restrictions that would be under discussion include:

    > a) granting immunity to heads of state;

    > b) excluding the Court's jurisdiction over nationals of non-state parties, even when they commit crimes on the territory of a state party; and

    > c) denying the Court's jurisdiction over cases covered by national legislation.

    Basically, no skin in the game for the decision makers, a will to power for the foot soldiers, and a panopticon for everyone else.

    This may be a hard sell as 2/3rds majority is required to bring any Rome Statue amends into force.

  • blackerbraidtha36 minutes ago
    The future solution will tjen be that the winner in a conflict will race to nab all enemies and execute them. That will be the only way to ensure "a punishment". Interring Putin, for example, would lead to pressure from Trump an Xi, in that order, to release him. Looks like our future will be more bloody and violent as a result.
  • cudla10044 minutes ago
    No balls. Humiliation continues.
  • ant6n42 minutes ago
    “ Diplomatic sources: ‘The Netherlands is negotiating the dismantling of the International Criminal Court’”

    The title is wrong. Negotiating to do something is not the same as doing the thing.

    • throwaw1237 minutes ago
      Negotiating means, lets hear what you want and lets see what we can do. Which means there is a willing to listen.

      Would you listen someone if they come to your house and start claiming it? Would you negotiate with them?

      • socket033 minutes ago
        The number of people who have listened to a religious nut at the door, versus the number of people who have converted to that religion. Until they make a single concession, it's only a symbolic willingness to talk about it, nothing more.
        • throwaw1230 minutes ago
          You are giving an example of someone offering you something, you can take it or don't, I am giving an example of someone taking something from you.

          Dismantling ICC is taking something from all of us.

    • socket035 minutes ago
      I cannot imagine the pressure the US is exerting on all kinds of international systems due to temper tantrums at the top of the chain of command, but based on history and everything we see in the news it's a lot. The wise diplomatic choice would be to start up exploratory negotiations to reduce pressure (no doubt on completely unrelated systems, like cooperation in tertiary education). If talks can be dragged out for two years, maybe it'll all just go away.
  • tigerfalcon76an hour ago
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  • silicon3383an hour ago
    Why quote Law to men who carry Swords?
    • js841 minutes ago
      Because they love their children too?
  • Hendrikto40 minutes ago
    I wonder what Israel has on Trump to make him dance like their puppet. It‘s embarassing and ridiculous.
    • throw31082231 minutes ago
      Almost the entire US political system?
    • throwaw1236 minutes ago
      Epstein files and video tapes?
  • cedws44 minutes ago
    Why does every country capitulate to the US? Let them sanction the Netherlands and see how much they enjoy not having access to EUV machines…

    Like, is Europe just completely fucking asleep? You can play China and US off against each other, then the US will think twice when their supposed allies run to their enemies.

    • throwaw1233 minutes ago
      Europe is divided and conquered, even though it looks like a single entity, US can buy some politicians in some parts of the EU and they would go against any resolution against US.

      You can't win a battle when you have 20 generals and require the force of 20 in the way, when each has its own agenda and incentives and some of them are easy to buy

    • cowlevel21 minutes ago
      My first thought is that it's because every country that doesn't capitulate to the US gets invaded by the US and destroyed. See Venezuela.
  • oytis30 minutes ago
    I think the Netaniahu case really damaged its legitimacy. Should have stay focused on dictators from failed states really. Not a reason to dismantle it of course, it's still an important institution without an alternative
  • cgio43 minutes ago
    Let’s just dismantle it, it was a theatre anyway, only losers ever got there. I think keeping it around with reduced powers is worse than just totally dismantling it. Europe loves daddy a little bit too much.
    • claykkari26 minutes ago
      Agreed, no justice at all is better than the illusion of justice.
  • DiabloD3an hour ago
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    • hnlmorg40 minutes ago
      > The reason the Netherlands is said to be negotiating on this matter are the sanctions imposed by the US against thirteen judges and prosecutors, and against the ICC as a whole.

      I don’t understand how this makes the Netherlands a terrorist state nor America the good guys.

    • hans_castorp32 minutes ago
      The "terrorist state" here is the US using extortion to undermine the law. But if you put a convicted felon at the head of the state, then this doesn't seem surprising.
    • bluebarbet41 minutes ago
      >terrorist state

      This is silly hyperbole.

  • slowinan hour ago
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    • cowlevel23 minutes ago
      Alternative take: Human rights have not progressed since WWII. If a facade shatters the moment you put any pressure on it, it wasn't made out of anything stronger than sugar candy.
    • gambiting41 minutes ago
      64,000 children killed and counting just so the war criminal Natenyahu could stay in power. I really hope the illusion is gone, but as long as the US keeps supporting that government it's going to be very hard to take a proper moral stance on it for anyone else.
      • throw31082233 minutes ago
        > 64,000 children killed just so the war criminal Netanyahu could stay in power

        No, this is an intentionally reductive framing. Palestinians are killed to realize the objectives of Zionism, which have shaped Israel since before its foundation. The entire country and its history are behind it, not just Netanyahu.

        • yorwba22 minutes ago
          Anti-Zionist parties got ≈15% of the votes in the recent legislative election, so it's a bit reductive to claim that the entire country is behind it.
          • cowlevel13 minutes ago
            85% electoral victory is as close to unanimous as it ever gets.
        • gambiting28 minutes ago
          That's correct, but it's a chain of events and people who are invested in making it continue this way - Natenyahu knows that embracing hardcore Zionism is the way to stay in power so he continues doing it. But he wouldn't be able to do that without a huge amount of support across both the political spectrum and the population.
    • hnlmorg43 minutes ago
      Trump is the one pushing for this. And Fox News are the people who put Trump in power.

      So maybe we should be dismantling the Murdoch empire.

      • GordonS39 minutes ago
        The genocide continued unabated under Biden. Genocide, ethnic cleansing, war crimes and complete subservience to Apartheid Israel are bipartisan issues in the US.
      • newspaper138 minutes ago
        Trump, Biden and nearly every other president other than JFK have been Zionists. Israel bribes and blackmails our leaders.
        • blackerbraidtha31 minutes ago
          ...and JFK got a different solution than bribe or blackmail.
    • abdullahalhariran hour ago
      Spot on.
    • spwa425 minutes ago
      You have read the treaty of Rome? The ICC only applies to nations who agree to have it applied. And even then it's not followed by countries. Well, and they make it apply to Israel, of course, because changing and special-casing laws to convict Jews is an old European tradition [2].

      Meanwhile the UN GA keeps screaming for 3 things:

      1) for the ICC stay away from "internal affairs" (stuff happening in countries who haven't agreed to the treaty of Rome)

      Even the Netherlands demanded the ICC stay away from the siege of Srebrenica (because a Dutch commander and deployment, "Dutchbat", oversaw the massacre they were there to prevent. The commander who oversaw this total disaster was promoted and knighted instead, and then de-knighted some years later) [1]

      2) to convict Israel (Which has retreated from the treaty of Rome)

      3) to convict Russia (which is guilty of crimes in Ukraine, which do fall under the treaty of Rome)

      At least the Russia stuff is somewhat admirable. Until you start looking at what happens on the ground (gets to the UN SC, where Russia and China and sometimes France object to do anything to Russia, and of course the UN GA refuses to do anything for money reasons)

      The UN, like it's predecessor the League of Nations, just does nothing. Worse: it is constantly used as an excuse to do nothing about serious situations, like currently Sudan, for example. The UN is a great ideal, a "world police", that countries DO NOT WANT, especially not dictatorships and muslim countries. And the organization is in practice constantly used as the exact opposite of the ideal it supposedly represents. The world, very much, does not want peace at this point, or at the very least you can say, it's not willing to give up any economic reward for peace, certainly not elsewhere. Of course, these days, the UN's predecessor (same buildings, same people), the League of Nations, is not just blamed for doing nothing, but was the organization behind the treaty of Versailles, now generally considered the cause of WW2, as it caused the decades-long economic disaster that remade the Weimar Republic into the third reich.

      And when the UN does interfere, well, the last 3 places they interfered were Lebanon, Haiti, and Sudan. I wonder how things are going in those 3 places? The first one was "the Congo problem", Katanga in Congo in Africa. I wonder what happened there when the UN withdrew ...

      [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutchbat

      [2] the Dreyfus affair (which, by the way, is a particularly egregious instance of this happening as part of a systematic campaign to do so in France, not an isolated incident)

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    • yonisto41 minutes ago
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      • blackerbraidtha26 minutes ago
        murder and genocide are just lifestyle choices, you say. Or is it culturally inherent? What you are implying is far more racist. Equating Israel with the whole of the jewish people is exactly the playbook of anti-semites and Bibi supporters, trying to tie all jew, religious or cultural, to the flaming wreck that is Israel.
  • snvzzan hour ago
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