45 pointsby blinding-streak4 hours ago12 comments
  • jillesvangurpan hour ago
    For reference, the asp of cars in Germany was 44,560 Euro in 2025. That's about $49,300 USD. That was last year of course and we've had inflation as well. So, the US is about the same as Germany. We do have a growing number of Chinese cars here that are pretty competitive. But those cover the same price segments as other cars and while very attractively priced, they aren't necessarily that cheap. We also have tariffs on those though not as steep as the US ones.

    That's just the average price of course. There are a few new models you can buy that are priced below 20K Euro. And you can get decent second hand ones below 10K.

    More interesting thing is the shift to EVs and the fact that there are now cheap EVs. The cheapest new car is an EV. Roadside charging is expensive here. But with the high fuel prices still a lot cheaper than petrol.

    People apparently feel pressured to buy expensive cars and spend all their money on those. It's a choice. I don't actually own a car. I don't see a good rational reason to spend hundreds of euros per month on having one, keeping it charged/fueled, maintained, parked, etc. All those things cost money. A couple of hundred per month adds up to a nice budget for public transport, taxis, and car rentals. I have a public transport card (Deutschland ticket) that costs me 65 Euro per month that covers most of my needs.

    • flakeoil27 minutes ago
      > Roadside charging is expensive here. But with the high fuel prices still a lot cheaper than petrol.

      Roadside charging cost was about the same as the cost for gasoline/diesel before the war (cost per 10km). After the war it is around 30-40% cheaper than gaseoline/diesel.

      But people forget that one seldom has to use roadside charging. It is mainly when going on vacation or longer weekend trips. For daily commute, shopping and regular weekly activities, you can charge at home or at work or at family.

      Charging at home costs 1/3-1/6 of roadside charging. It's so cheap, but people don't seem to get it.

      And as above comment says, EVs are also very cheap now. There are many smaller EVs, both Chinese and Europeans which cost around 20k EUR. Even a big ID.7 (Passat size) is not that expensive if you shop around a bit.

      EDIT: And regarding roadside charging, with a subscription you can easily get 10-20% discount in case you do a lot of long distance driving.

    • throwaway63467an hour ago
      If I remember correctly I think 80 % of new car sales are through companies or leasing, so only relatively few consumers buy new cars. Right now lots of people buy electric cars as the government gifts you 6.000 € (not to me because I’m too “rich” apparently), you can get some of the smallest models for under 10.000 € which is crazy.

      Chinese manufacturers indeed make good offers e.g. BYD Seal Touring hybrid with 20 kWh battery and all features for around 30 T€, at that price you won’t even find the barebones version of a comparable car by any German manufacturer. They’re doing all they can to discredit Chinese car makers these days, it’s hilarious all these YouTubers driving the new BYD and trying to find the smallest little details to complain about.

      German car industry only survives because its heavily subsidized and the government destroyed the used cars market.

  • grumbelbart23 hours ago
    That's the nature of inflation. Most things hit record highs every few years.

    > While that $51,109 figure is an all-time high, that's only up 2.1% in the past year. > > "A 2.1% year-over-year increase is actually below inflation," said Erin Keating, an executive analyst at Cox Automotive who co-authored the report

    • JumpCrisscrossan hour ago
      > That's the nature of inflation

      Eyeballing the graph in the source [1] I'm seeing ~2.5% annual price increases from 2013 to 2020 (CPI-U all items averaged 1.6% in that time) and ~2.5% annual price from January '24 to September '26 (3.4%).

      Yet Jan '20 to Jan '23 saw car prices increase at 9.3% a year (5.1%).

      In summary, we had a long period of habituation of a rate to which we've returned. But in between we had a rapid step up. That jump produces continuous sticker shock at each new level (particularly psychologically-meaningful ones) even though we've returned to trend.

      (The fact that China is making, and we're banning the import of, good and cheap cars, cars one can experience across either of our land borders, is probably rubbing some salt in the wound.)

      [1] https://www.coxautoinc.com/insights/sept-2026-atp-report/

    • fasterikan hour ago
      That's one factor, but how much of the increase is actually attributable to inflation? Other possible factors could include increased demand for luxury vehicles or decreased supply of inexpensive vehicles for a variety of reasons.
    • irjustin3 hours ago
      It's sort of combined with the idea that "things are still high", or "they shouldn't be this high".
      • Uvix3 hours ago
        Unfortunately "make prices higher" is part of the financial plan for most if not all governments. What we have is what we asked for.
        • pjc502 hours ago
          People get really, really mad if wages don't go up either.

          Inflation targeting is an awkward compromise involving keeping unemployment up to avoid wage pressure. Asking for nominal pricing to go down is even more miserable. Even before accounting for the war consuming a huge area of the oil producing world.

          Edit: while I'm here, some historical view from the UK https://www.parkers.co.uk/50-anniversary/costs-of-driving/

          • tancopan hour ago
            There's lots of room for wages to grow faster than prices. All you have to do is force high margin businesses to reduce their profits. Every supply chain has at least one of those. Oil is basically the best case scenario where a couple big suppliers dominate, so if you target them you can recover most of the inefficiency.

            And the compromise only exists if all of a company's earnings are either reinvested or given away to workers, which is almost never true in capitalism. Eliminating shareholders would instantly make everything cheaper.

            Even the part going to labor is very unequally distributed. If we paid executives less and everyone else more the median wage would go up, no other changes needed.

        • hammock2 hours ago
          What causes it? It must be an indirect effect, because people are certainly not voting for higher prices
          • yorwba2 hours ago
            People are implicitly voting for higher prices every time they buy something at a higher price. The average cost for a car would be lower if people always only bought the cheapest car on the market, but in practice many are willing to pay more.
          • gms2 hours ago
            Government spending and regulation. Wars too, but those are exceptional.
            • dan_grecan hour ago
              How many years in the last 40 has the US NOT been at war?
    • 0xbadcafebee2 hours ago
      In 2001 the average new price was $21,474 [1]; adjusted for inflation that's $40,924.40 [2], so new cars today are 25% more expensive.

      [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20260311215431/https://www.energ... [2] https://www.calculator.net/inflation-calculator.html?cstarti...

      • Exmooran hour ago
        I never know how to think about things like this. Technology improves over time somewhat inherently, but the experience of getting in that 2001 $21k car and the 2026 $50k car are incredibly different. I'd guess the 2001 car didn't even have a backup camera and the 2026 car likely has enough technology that it can essentially drive itself in many situations. Safety improvements have also been very significant.
        • ZeroGravitas33 minutes ago
          Cars lasting longer on average and getting better mpg means the TCO might be better even with higher up front costs. (Expensive repairs might bring that back down though).
      • mejutocoan hour ago
        Wouldnt 40k vs 20k be almost 100% more expensive? It almost doubled. Or is there a typo somewhere?
  • CalRobert2 hours ago
    Meanwhile living car-free enables me to splurge on holidays and likely retire several years earlier than if I owned one. And I still drive! Just use hourly rental now and then.

    I wish this option were available to all.

    • Gigachad2 hours ago
      Going car free dwarfs basically all budgeting advice. The amount of money you save is obscene.
      • wietheran hour ago
        I always found it funny (and a bit sad) how most of the finances-savy people on social networks explains how to become miserable by eating rice and chicken every single day to save a few hundred bucks a year, while they never ever consider going car free.

        Even for your physical and mental health, not spending a big part of your life stuck in a metal box is so much positive!

        • JuniperMesosan hour ago
          It's very hard to arrange your life that way, though. And if you have to be stuck in a metal box anyway, there's usually good reasons to prefer that metal box to be your private vehicle rather than a public subway or bus.
        • CalRobert19 minutes ago
          In fairness mrmoneymoustache has always decried car dependency.
    • kleiba22 hours ago
      Good for you! Unfortunately, it's not an option for me: I live in a suburb and have three young-ish kids - a good deal of the driving I do is getting them to their activities. Sometimes, that's not easy to coordinate even with two parents and two cars. :(
      • Gigachad2 hours ago
        This is not a judgement of you as you’re pretty much in the default situation. But I think it’s a shame society in general has fallen in to this situation where parents are forced to drive their kids around to a bunch of activities.

        Kid activities used to be riding bikes around the local streets or other things they could walk / bus to. And I think it’s putting a massive toll on parents who have to spend all this time driving their kids around.

        • CalRobert20 minutes ago
          Amen to that. Literally moved to a new country so our kids could bike around safely.

          It’s like a damn Norman Rockwell painting here. Kids biking in groups with fishing rods is one of my favourite sites.

      • CalRobert25 minutes ago
        Yeah, I live in a suburb with two young kids, but it’s extremely well designed (Houten, Netherlands). Suburban life can be very good for car-free living if it’s well designed.
    • pannyan hour ago
      >I wish this option were available to all.

      In my experience, the main opposition to this are the car owners themselves. Try to start a high speed rail project and they complain about the costs, how it needs to pay for itself, etc etc etc. Ask them if they would use the train, the answer is no with various dumb excuses like "too far to get to station without a car" "train doesn't go anywhere I need to" etc etc etc.

      I'm car free and very smug about it because these people are the reason rail transportation isn't better funded. They are the first people to actively block it. So I make sure to wave at them and smile as my train passes them stuck in gridlock. I'm glad the price of cars nearly doubled in the last 5 years. I hope they double again in the next five years. The only way to fix this is to price them out.

      • CalRobert23 minutes ago
        I think I was lucky to get a taste of car free life in a -somewhat- bike friendly town (San Luis Obispo) in college and after that any place that I had to own a car in felt like crap. My wife and I tried car free life in San Diego even and it was sorta barely doable (we lived in South Park) with car2go and a Vespa.

        Tragically, places that you can live without the expense of a car tend to be very expensive.

      • bell-cotan hour ago
        With how horrible American has gotten at building any major infrastructure, high speed rail and cars are not comparable. Because I can reliably get a car in less than 10 years, for less than 10X its supposed complete price, without a long series of political dramas and lawsuits.

        And even if America had a world-leading high speed rail network, that could not replace 95% of current car usage.

        • CalRobert21 minutes ago
          High speed rail is a distraction. Light rail, bike infra, metros, and infill are what can actually solve car dependency. I don’t own a car but I can still fly places after all (not great for earth, sadly, but still doesn’t require a car)
          • solyin9 minutes ago
            Boston to NYC to DC to Charlotte, or Seattle to Portland to San Francisco to LA aren't served by ebikes. People aren't going to stop traveling between places that distance apart. HSR solves for that kind of stretch in a way that airplanes don't.
          • bell-cot9 minutes ago
            True. But which of those don't suffer from "how horrible America has gotten at building..." problems?

            And beyond infill, there's simple density. If everyone's dream is a McMansion with a 2 acre lawn, there are precious few transportation infra options.

  • xvxvx3 hours ago
    My 6 year old Toyota has only lost 10% of its resale value. They keep emailing and calling me, trying to convince me to sell it. The used car market is on fire right now, probably due to these inflated prices.
    • kavalg11 minutes ago
      I still keep a 12 year old Honda, which is currently at 50% of the price as new. For the same timespan I had friends changing three vehicles and eating the massive depreciation.
    • tonyedgecombe3 hours ago
      Six year old cars will be in short supply because of what happened in 2020.
  • helsinkiandrew2 hours ago
    This isn’t just inflation. There’s an old saying “Our homes reflect who we are and cars who we want to be”. I’d say this is the case with many people in the US compared with other countries and are willing to spend more (80% of US new car purchases are financed compared with 50% of German)
  • jerlam2 hours ago
    Too many people look at cars as a status symbol, especially people who consider home ownership out of reach. So there is an incentive to buy the most expensive vehicle they can afford.
    • dan_grec2 hours ago
      While that’s true, I think the real insidious reason is payments (ie borrowing money and paying interest to buy a car)

      I hear people say all the time “my payment only went up $50 a month to get THIS”

      They have no idea how much the vehicle costs, and how much they’ll pay in interest over the term. They also don’t care, because it’s a forever loan. They’ll roll it over to a new vehicle in a couple of years and just have a car payment for life.

      • hammock2 hours ago
        You’ll own nothing and like it

        We thought that referred to greedy corpos and Ubers and the like, but really they just meant banks (per usual)

        • Gigachad2 hours ago
          I don’t mind the “own nothing” when you aren’t burdened by anything either. Getting an uber occasionally is a nice way to not have to own a car.

          But buying one on debt it’s the worst of both worlds.

    • pjc502 hours ago
      Indeed. Americans vote with their wallets on this. They also vote with, you know, actual votes, to prevent cheaper goods being allowed.
  • bell-cot35 minutes ago
    Interesting how NPR downplays the systematic elimination of of the most-affordable models of the 2010's. (At least in the U.S. They're still widely available in overseas markets.)

    Though it otherwise doesn't pull the punch on corporate greed.

    Related, the U.S. may soon allow imports of Japanese "Kei" vehicles:

    https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/11/toyota-resurrects-scion...

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  • yanhangyhy3 hours ago
    doesn't seems very high consider the income?
    • tonyedgecombe2 hours ago
      It tracks income. I checked this in the UK a couple of years ago and the price of a median car in the UK increased by double the rate of inflation over the last fifty years, inline with wage increases.
  • sciencesama2 hours ago
    wages going down prices going up !
  • imp0cat2 hours ago
    And the quality of said new vehicle is also at a record high. /s
    • bob10292 hours ago
      I would agree with this minus the sarcasm. Some premium brands have gone off the deep end, but if you are buying anything at a CDJR dealership the opposite is true.
    • hammock2 hours ago
      Well, they are safer
      • imp0cat8 minutes ago
        Absolutely! The user experience kinda sucks though, way to many glitches!
      • tancopan hour ago
        Car safety is way past the point of diminishing returns. Both in terms of cost and reduced driver freedom.
        • bell-cotan hour ago
          Perhaps. But anyone looking at the leading causes of death & major injury in America can see why "make you safer" is an easy sell.