37 pointsby rdmuser6 hours ago8 comments
  • pj_mukh3 hours ago
    But what does "used Gen AI" in an article mean?

    Did they type "Write a news article make no mistakes?" and hit Publish

    or

    Did they use it to find secondary sources for a set of details to then manually go check them? Or use it for copy-editing or have a discussion with a frontier model about the best term to describe a concept (something I find them very good at!)? Or a myriad of such interventional uses.

    Are those considered the same by the audience? Was the difference explained in this survey? I'm betting the audience is a lot more accepting of the latter and the former is what everyone imagines "Use Gen-AI" means and words like "mostly human generated with some AI help" don't really capture the difference OR value.

    I hate to be the "there is nuance" guy, but...isn't there significant nuance here?

    • moezdan hour ago
      It sounds like this is the exact discussion happening within software world: Vibe code one shot app make no mistake push to prod, or write boilerplate, discuss architecture, assist migrations and vulnerability research?

      I think we lost all nuance in the world, though. Everything has to be black or white, otherwise nothing sells anymore.

  • saulpw3 hours ago
    AI is good for consuming public information, not for producing public information.
    • skybrianan hour ago
      If I ask an AI for help to download some public data to make a graph, and then I publish the graph on my website, is that consuming or producing? Seems like both?
      • saulpw7 minutes ago
        It consumed the data and you produced the graph.
  • mkotlikov3 hours ago
    What does AI for news even mean? In what world are people using it for search, but not for news? Search looks at and summarizes the news! If I ask why Nvidia dropped today, is that the news?
  • serious_angel4 hours ago
    Irresponsible and dead LLM/SI/AI is not an information gateway, and will never be. Limited/censored/opinionated or not.

    People is the gateway, their effort, their experience, to learn from.

  • tehjoker3 hours ago
    So glad the public hates this stuff in journalism. I hope all the news agencies that use it are left with the same kind of remnant audience that found Q-Anon so inspiring.
  • VCFundedGenYer3 hours ago
    "Cigarettes are incredible. Audiences don't want them"
    • threethirtytwo3 hours ago
      Ai genuinely is incredible. Think about it.

      It’s just the hype train is excessive and in everyone’s faces and anything that’s like that genuinely becomes hated.

      Imagine if I saved the lives of hundreds of people everyday. And I would throw this fact in your face everyday via TikTok, email spam, YouTube, social media.

      Pretty soon you’ll become sick of it. You’ll not care for anyones life. Thats what is happening with ai. Ai is genuinely from a logical standpoint, incredible. But all of that is diluted by overhype.

      • dweinus2 hours ago
        Except AI isnt saving lives. It isnt even usually improving lives. For the most part it is being used to justify laying people off, to heap more responsibility on those that remain, to destroy the livelihood of artists, and to flood public spaces with slop. Even if the capabilities are incredible, the average lived experience of it is awful.
      • Refreeze5224an hour ago
        It's not the hype we are tired of. We're tired of the hype being wrong, and pro-AI people being quasi-religious zealots about, while ignoring the massive costs and harms. And if you question the AI dogma, you are accused of being either a Luddite who doesn't understand, or a victim of a Chinese influence campaign.
        • threethirtytwo39 minutes ago
          The hype is not wrong. It’s just too much. Navier stokes and hundreds of other unsolvable math problems were solved. That is genuinely real and worth the hype.

          My entire company now uses AI to code. Nobody writes code by hand at my company anymore. At this point if you can’t see how incredible and horrifying it is then you’re delusional.

          I get it though. One year ago you’d be right. The paradigm shift is happening so fast people haven’t updated their priors. What you believed to be true just changed. It flipped several times this year and people who keep up to date had to completely flip their understanding of the world and the nature of AI several times. This is not an easy thing to do and thus many people like you just missed the boat.

          There’s no doubt that there is a financial ai bubble. But that bubble is completely orthogonal to the complete paradigm shift of the actual capabilities of AI.

          • rkuodys6 minutes ago
            I think the point is not that AI is not great, but it's less than what was promised.

            Very good analogy with Tesla FSD. Is it great tech- yes, of course. Is is the thing that was promised to come out 10 years ago? Far from it.

            If you expect AI to do everything for you, it's still not there. And if you're sceptic or even neutral to this topic- AI is just causing more problems (especially in security) by the day.

            • Dylan16807a minute ago
              > Very good analogy with Tesla FSD. Is it great tech- yes, of course.

              Not of course. I'll call it good to great the day it gets beyond level 2, and no sooner.

        • 95438086310 minutes ago
          "Acting like a luddite gets me accusations of being a luddite."

          Why don't you deranged organic code cultist switch to TempleOS?

      • bigstrat20033 hours ago
        > Ai genuinely is incredible. Think about it.

        It is literally incredible, that is, the claims people make about it are not believable. It simply does not do the magical stuff people claim it does.

        • kingstnapan hour ago
          > It simply does not do the magical stuff people claim it does.

          What are you even talking about? You can see it do the magic yourself for like $20. The lean proof of the exponential time hypotheses disproof for exampe is straight up on github right now for you to look at.

          What magical thing are you waiting for? It is literally currently revolutionaizing all engineering work.

  • aplummer12 minutes ago
    The comments here are enlightening. All the anti-ai hype posts are downvoted. I think justifiably, this is a transformational moment. But what we can surely agree on is two fold, it is built on theft, and the regular non-hn people are increasingly likely to demand a reckoning for that theft.
  • threethirtytwo3 hours ago
    This is an hallucination. We all know humans hallucinate just like LLMs and this is another form of it.

    It’s like if I asked you if you enjoy talking shit about people or saying things and gossiping without people knowing about it.

    Most people would say no they don’t enjoy it. But most people would be lying. Not lying to you but lying to themselves. It’s one of the most obvious lies because everyone can definitely think back and recall themselves talking shit.

    People say they don’t want to use LLMs and they say they hate ai and they say they appreciate human art and effort and human endeavor and all of this is true and at the same time not true as the same people who say they don’t like it use it all the time. It’s both true and not true. Human brains like LLMs did not evolve to enforce strict logical conclusions because such a thing is not absolutely necessary for survival. You can hold contradictory opinions and beliefs in your mind.