88 pointsby aloukissasan hour ago9 comments
  • armcat32 minutes ago
    About six years ago we built a ticket classification/routing model and pipeline [1]. The initial version was trained using SVMs, it took a couple of minutes to train, and the ticket classification was just a few milliseconds. It's so fascinating to watch how the field moved over to LLMs, and then back to faster/cheaper classifiers again.

    [1] "Linnaeus: A highly reusable and adaptable ML based log classification pipeline", https://arxiv.org/abs/2103.06927

    NOTE: the work was actually accepted at the International Conference on Software Engineering (ICSE) in 2021.

    • jval43a few seconds ago
      SVMs in "big data" were already well used back in 2010 as they could be scaled via map-reduce.

      The key issue I encountered in industry after was that companies would not allow use for training on their data across customers. Understandably so, as SVM dimensions are readily interpretable given some thought.

      So the amount of data you could train on was always rather limited unless you were Google with an own huge dataset.

      LLMs "solved" that by just ignoring the previous rules and training on everything, which lets the needed world knowledge seep back in.

      I'm sure we'll see many combinations of LLMs and regular machine intelligence in the near future.

    • benrutter9 minutes ago
      Yeah, its pretty wild! I think one of the benefits, but also potential risks, with LLMs, is you can just point them at anything without a lot of expertise.

      Building an SVM isn't a tricky job, but you probably need a data scientist involved, and to think carefully about a labeled dataset.

      I think we're seeing the modelling equivalent of something like electron apps. Where they waste a tonne of resources, but make an easier developement experience.

      Will be interesting to see how much or little this changes with LLM costs.

    • floro15 minutes ago
      This is just the AI grift and uneducated hypebros. There is zero reason to use an LLM as a classifier. But AIbros with zero technical knowledge will push for it anyways even if it is 1000x slower and 1000x more expensive to run.
      • wodenokoto10 minutes ago
        You can can't build an SVM-classifier for a ticketing system without domain data. You can ask an LLM to do it, and it will do it very well.

        With the LLM you don't even need a data scientist to train the model, you just need someone who can connect to APIs. And the LLM is fine with adding and removing categories. No retraining.

        It makes the initial faces incredibly fast. Then it is slow and expensive to run, so once the system settles, it becomes the target for model optimization, e.g, a dedicated, or semi-dedicated model.

  • Kaedon27 minutes ago
    At ~$21,700 saved per million tickets, saving millions annually would suggest at least 92 million tickets a year to reach $2 million saved. Is that about right?

    I initially thought of tickets as just customer support, or internal JIRAs, but the article mentions alarms, security findings, and capacity increase requests, so that makes the scale feel more plausible. Still surprising so many tickets go through the system.

    • f0cus1013 minutes ago
      yes, there's a ticket for EVERYTHING. people have tickets cut in their names even decades after they've left
    • vasco13 minutes ago
      Well if they use VPN point to point connections managed by AWS they'll get an email per week until they die for each VPN instance from AWS that they need to put in trash so I understand them.
  • 3eb7988a16633 minutes ago
    Classifying into one of 20 groups? Did anyone try scikit learn?
  • tdhz7717 minutes ago
    You can do this even more efficiently with the rust crate bonsai. You will have more control and you can create sceneries of logic. You can use incredibly cheap models this way and get way better results.

    I built a real time character story. In which players interact and integrate fictional characters. There is no delay in response and the characters are all in character. Oh and it’s all voice.

    It’s shocking how effective this is.

  • phillennium27 minutes ago
    It's funny how AI sometimes feels like it went full circle:

    — "Let's build efficient classifiers"

    — "Forget about the silly classifiers, LET'S BUILD A MACHINE GOD"

    — "Ah, that machine god is often too expensive and underwhelming. Let's build efficient classifiers"

  • lencastre4 minutes ago
    counting the miliseconds until the insurance industry picks this up
  • coolgoosean hour ago
    Yea right... Paying market price of 3 usd per mil tokens on sonnet 4.6...
  • oofbeyan hour ago
    If their model costs 98% less than Sonnet, and Amazon is saving “millions” then these folks are raking in 2% of millions. Congrats I guess?
    • mcintyre1994a minute ago
      I think you’re missing that Strands Agents are open source models released by AWS, not an external startup that Amazon is paying.
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    • vincnetas38 minutes ago
      2% of millions ... so far. Take in to account growth potential.
      • Den_VR31 minutes ago
        small, open source, decision model optimized for fast experimentation, local development, and innovation...

        But just think of the street cred!

  • sznioan hour ago
    why didn't they upgrade to further sonnet versions?
    • mikae123 minutes ago
      How about at least reading a couple of paragraphs from the post this thread is about before commenting? :)