33 pointsby parkgraph3 hours ago4 comments
  • emptybitsan hour ago
    I have been out of this industry annd without stake in it for years. But I co-founded PayByPhone, the original pay-for-parking app. TFA suggests that it’s charging $0 in fees. Is this true?

    Then aside from theories of corrupt decision making, why wouldn’t every city or parking provider choose the $0 option? (Particularly city governments with a responsibility to their residents.)

    • praxulusan hour ago
      The option that's fee-free to users probably costs more for the city, whereas the ones that charge a fee will probably be cheaper or even free for the city.

      A city council member trying to balance a budget isn't engaging in corruption by choosing the option that reduces an expense in the city budget, even if it just places the cost on the people paying for parking instead. Constituents would be more likely to complain about higher property taxes or cuts to city services than to complain about a fee like this.

      Maybe they just got bribed, but that seems less likely.

      • andreimackenziean hour ago
        PayByPhone also shows ads in the parking experience (thankfully, not too obtrusively, and not until the parking is confirmed). So, they could be covering some of the cost that way.
    • MaintenanceMode4 minutes ago
      Living in Washington and yes, there are zero fees in the cities listed (and others). Great app, thank you for making it, it makes life a lot easier for me and the city!
    • fultonnan hour ago
      > responsibility to their residents

      I've lived in a lot of places.

      In most places electeds usually have some conception of a sort of broadly construed responsibility is to residents.

      But in larger cities it's a responsibility to voters and voting blocs, not residents per se. And this is particularly true in older east coast cities.

    • asdffan hour ago
      For some stuff e.g. third party managed golf booking websites, they charge the golf course "no fees" per booking, but they get 100% of the revenue from 1 or 2 bookings per day, whatever the exact terms.
  • jawns26 minutes ago
    I would not be surprised if this per-session is to cover credit card processing fees.

    But what would be nice is being able to preload a balance and get hit with the fee only once.

  • cmiles82 hours ago
    It’s getting out of control. Not that long ago 25 cents paid for the parking entirely.

    This is an area where I’m hoping AI will cause total disruption. There’s no reason for all these apps to exist. A high school kid with AI coding could build a perfectly functional app in an afternoon and keep more money in local communities. These parking app companies need to just go away.

    • asdffan hour ago
      It is so damn annoying. Why is anyone asking for this? I can already tap to pay with card or mobile wallet at traditional meters that take coins still. But with these 'pay by app' bullshit operations they expect you to sit there and download a 600mb shitware app on your terrible mobile data connection when you are trying to make a dinner reservation.

      You have to figure city council who approved this are either idiots or getting bribes.

      • laweijfmvoan hour ago
        i recently encountered a town where the only option to pay was via some app that forced me to hand over my phone number and email address
      • reaperduceran hour ago
        I can already tap to pay with card or mobile wallet at traditional meters that take coins still. But with these 'pay by app' bullshit operations they expect you to sit there and download a 600mb shitware app on your terrible mobile data connection when you are trying to make a dinner reservation.

        Or, like I've had to deal with twice this month — the parking space is underground, so the app doesn't work until you get to the surface.

        Also annoying: I had to stop using the iPhone Lockdown mode because the parking apps I have to use break when it's enabled.

    • hnav2 hours ago
      the reason they get away with this is because of city government corruption and not any technical barrier
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  • strange_quark12 minutes ago
    An extremely easy popular piece of legislation would be to ban these sort of junk fees.

    Here in Chicago it's extremely annoying because you can pay physically at the meter with a credit card and not get hit with these junk fees, but if you use their app, you have to pay the fee, and extending the time hits you with the fee again. The app is a piece of garbage that hasn't been meaningfully updated in years and it's not like maintaining the physical meter is free either. Plus when you use the app they require you to load a minimum $20 balance into it so all the Abu Dhabi princes who own our public infrastructure get to make interest on that hostage money. When I street park I make it a point to pay at the meter with my most expensive Amex.