223 pointsby porridgeraisin4 hours ago7 comments
  • jlhawn2 hours ago
    I wonder if this could be used anywhere as an alternative to Lloyd's algorithm. I have a hobby project which uses Lloyd's to "relax" an icosohedral equal area mesh on the surface of a sphere [1]. I'm going to try to swap it out with an adaptation of this and see if it's much better or if I can afford more iterations with this method.

    Edit: tried it, and it’s definitely not better for this use case. e-means wins by needing fewer passes over a huge dataset, but relaxing a mesh on a sphere has no dataset: each Voronoi cell’s centroid can be computed directly from its geometry. Mini-batches just swap that for a noisy sampled estimate of the same thing. It has the same objective and the same optimum, so at best it matches Lloyd. In practice it was much slower and left the grid noisy, and with small sample budgets it even tangled the mesh.

    [1] https://webgcm.app/explain/grid#nudging-the-cells-into-shape

    • shiandow6 minutes ago
      Since it's basically a linear interpolation between Lloyd's algorithm and not moving any points it will be at least as good but gains might be limited without careful tuning.
  • shiandow9 minutes ago
    These kinds of algorithms tend to have equivalent descriptions as expectation maximisation or simulated annealing. I wonder if it's possible to understand their algorithm in that sense.

    Though I suppose it may be as simple as expectation maximization with a friction term, since Sj = sj - a (sj - Sj).

    Importantly they note that this update rule keeps the centroid within the convex hull, which is pretty important.

  • Luke26422 hours ago
    This is a great example of why p=np is sometimes the wrong question. For this np hard problem approximate solutions are good enough, and if you get them 45x faster that's even better!
    • hinkley2 hours ago
      The best class of algorithms in this category are those where you know for certain that one answer is impossible and the other is highly probable. Like Bloom Filters, and if you squint, consistent hashing. I wish we had more algorithms of this sort and books about them. If I were a professor I’d be tempted to propose teaching a class.

      When I was just starting out, client-server was still a bit of a specialty, mostly reserved for gaming and large institutions. Most of my education was in single task computing. If the university hadn’t offered a class in distributed computing I wouldn’t have gotten much in that direction except in independent study.

      In the time since then, we seem to have focused much less on seconds per task and more on tasks per second, which results in more concern about statistical spreads, and queuing mechanisms to manage the variability between a hit and a miss. It would be better if this sort of computation were more organized into a discipline.

      • Luke26422 hours ago
        My personal favourite is compressive sensing, sparse signals beat the Nyquist sampling limit, by what seems like an unbounded amount 1000x, 1000000x, etc, because all real world stuff we care about lives on a low dimensional manifold, so unlike the noise.
      • benmandrew2 hours ago
        You may enjoy randomised algorithms (https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/teaching/2425/RandAlgthm/)
    • LPisGood2 hours ago
      The entire field of operations research is essentially founded on the premise that NP hard is just a starting place.
  • real_faxenoff3 hours ago
    I adapted the method to my IVF index (the code-daemon project) and achieved a 146x speedup on the GPU.

    That's impressive!

  • wood_spirit3 hours ago
    This looks awesome. Obvious in hindsight! The viz really explains it well.

    Hope it gets added to scipy - it’s much more available in the envs many use than facebooks own faiss library.

    • porridgeraisin3 hours ago
      The automatic hyperparameter laws don't seem intuitive to me yet. Do you have any intuition for it?
  • bashhq_r2 hours ago
    so the epoch reduction is cool but the hyperparameter laws feel like they were fit post-hoc
  • coderenegadean hour ago
    Very cool, saving this to play around with later.