25 pointsby ryzvonusef2 hours ago24 comments
  • Guestmodinfoan hour ago
    My problem with books recommended by schools and parents are that they are the insipid kind of books. Yes I'm a fan of Jane Austen's works but I needed to read some action fantasy books. Boys love super hero oriented themes who are standing between the innocent ppl and the villain. And also video game mechanics in their stories. We need to introduce the kids to those books. Royal Road, webnovel have lots of such stories. Maybe parents and the school authorities are not looking there. I just read Phil Tucker's "Dawn of the Void vol 1" and it is so nice for any boy to read.

    What the English faculty in colleges and schools need is to work with the authors of the "Levelling genre" or "Isekai genre" and modify those books with the reading abilities of those boys according to their grades while keeping the credits with the original authors.

    • impossibleforkan hour ago
      You can't seriously be arguing for Isekai's and levelling.

      You could fix it. Drop the levelling, keep the portal story-- portal stories can be fun, C.S. Lewis and Astrid Lindgren have done portal or portal-adjacent stories.

      I don't think a fixed portal story is necessarily attractive to idiot-readers though. I think popularity of Isekai or levelling stories might have more to do with impatience and inability to tolerate uncertainty.

    • ginkoan hour ago
      The last thing we want people to get hooked on is the isekai genre. It's just insipid low-effort wish-fulfillment.
      • ryzvonusef23 minutes ago
        It's not the genre, it's the writing. Just because sausages are usually sold at a hotdog stand doesn't mean it's only a street-food level ingredient; there is always a place for some Michelin star gourmet bangers and mash or whatever.

        There is an obvious retort about Narnia being an isekai, but I feel a more appropriate comparison would be Ascendence of a Bookworm, which is an actually well written Japanese isekai literature (written by a female author and featuring a female protagonist, ironic given the main topic) that explores the clash of Earth based norms and customs in a society where gods actually exist, and nobles are literally superior beings, since only their god gifted mana can turn a blank land into fertile soil. In such a world, what value does a mana-less peasant have?

        But it does so in a narrative that's engaging rather than scolding; the MC realises that norms arise out of local conditions, and instead of going on some weird emancipation spree, mostly acknowledges local the situations, but still tries her darndest to change things given her constraints (with literal gods intervening, there is little she can do).

        The story is titled Ascendence of a 'Bookworm' because her main tool of rebellion is democratising books and knowledge; by inventing the paper and printing press, she will (slowly) help peasants improve their lives over the next coming generations; they will never become equal to nobles who are literally god-gifted, but it's still an important ripple that will change the trajectory of the world.

        It's an Japanese isekai, but it resists the urge to dabble in the other other tropes. Yes, Sturgeon's law still applies, 90% of isekai will still be trash and slop, but if you promote good isekai books, then there is still chance for future good literature, even in such a maligned genre.

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      • GeoAtreides9 minutes ago
        it's isekai or tiktok, no in-betweens, take it or leave it
      • torginusan hour ago
        The same is true for teen books for girls, where like half of the bestsellers are romantasy, with many of them going into the softcore territory.

        I am no pearl clutching moralist, but having the mainstream publishing industry push softcore smut onto young girls and even virtue-signaling about how girls read a lot of books, is not something I'm comfortable with.

        It's like selling cigarettes to kids, and bragging about how they seem to like them.

        Dungeon Crawler Carl is not the height of literature, but I wouldn't say it's harmful.

        That said, I don't have a daughter of reading age, so actual parents might have better takes on this.

    • brntan hour ago
      > Boys love super hero oriented themes

      Where does this nonsense come from? I didn't nor did anyone I know. I snorted any kind of adventure books but superpowers? Nuh uh, boring and cheapest of plot devices, and yes, I thought so at 7.

      My parents brought me to the library every two weeks and let me read whatever I wanted, I think that's most important. Also, show you read yourself, and if you don't, wonder why.

      • bombcaran hour ago
        Drop the “super” and you have something more correct / hero-based books are popular with boys and men.
    • throwaway27448an hour ago
      There's not exactly a shortage of action fantasy books aimed at children with female protagonists.

      Second of all, claiming that boys only like action heroes is frankly offensive and stupid. Boys are not intrinsically less capable than girls.

      Edit: i said what i said. I am not just replying to the above text but decades around parents who think less of boys.

      • walthamstowan hour ago
        Somehow you've shoehorned the word "only" in there when the parent said nothing of the sort. Ironic in a thread about reading.
      • cfiggersan hour ago
        Curious how an equals sign got drawn in your thinking between "likes action heroes" and "less capable."
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    • ThrowawayR239 minutes ago
      Ye gods; no, absolutely not. The isekai, levelling, etc. genre is almost entirely fanfic grade writing with a vanishingly thin coat of editorial polish on the few that get formally published. Characterization is trash, plotting is trash, and the background is the most generic of Tolkein/CRPG/JRPG rip-offs. Even the best of the webnovels are barely the literary equivalent of CMOT Dibbler's dubious sausages and the majority are far worse.
      • disgruntledphd26 minutes ago
        Dungeon Crawler Carl is marvelous, though. Threshold is also really good. Most of its terrible, but it's within error bounds for a lot of book quality.
    • bombcaran hour ago
      "Harder to get boys into books" means "scholastic sales are down" - it's hard for me to believe that with 50,000 + novels that we can't find any that are appealing - but they're not scholastic "new" and they don't move the money the way they need.

      A boy (or girl! They're allowed to read, too now, like Belle) buying a copy of The Hobbit doesn't help much, they need consumption of the new mass-produced stuff to keep the machine running.

  • fn-motean hour ago
    The article is much more balanced than comments here make it out to be. Sure, the title got it on the front page, but the article considers different possibilities. For example, it addresses the issue of older books having plenty of male characters by arguing that kids have a harder time getting into older books due to the pacing / lack of lots of action. Watching today’s popular anime, I believe it. Whether you believe it or not, there’s more depth to this article than it sounds like from the comments.
  • comrade1234an hour ago
    I would recommend Magician: Apprentice and the sequel. It's basically a group of 12-year-old boys growing up in a fantasy world - one becomes a magician, one a fighter, and there are others...

    https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/13812.Magician

  • evil_buzzardan hour ago
    I think this is pandering to quietly misogynist people; books don't disappear after they're written. All of the hundreds of books with a male protagonist that I read as a kid are still around, so if the industry has over-corrected it doesn't meaningfully affect anyone.
    • serfan hour ago
      yeah! kids are known for embracing and loving the classics, so what gives?

      "come on Timmy, I bought you the Shakespeare box-set, get to reading!"

      • doubled112an hour ago
        The children doth protest too much methinks!

        I’m only talking about picking up books. Please don’t take this out of context. Or in context?

  • yongjikan hour ago
    My kids read Harry Potter and Percy Jackson growing up in the US (both with male protagonists), and they were huge fans of the LOTR movie series (with its nine members of the fellowship of the ring, all male).

    It's really hard for me to believe American kids suddenly can't get enough books with male protagonists. If that's the case, the fault must lie with whoever's choosing books for those kids.

    • bombcaran hour ago
      That’s exactly it. If I suggest your children read LotR or Harry Potter or Narnia, I’ve done nothing special, nothing interesting, nothing worthy of accolades from my peers.

      But if I convince them to read New Shit and the Current Thing then everything is golden.

      Imagine how the teachers felt who suggested Potter before it went big. That’s a high many will chase.

  • int32_64an hour ago
    I can't imagine how hard it is to try to make it as an author in 2026. Between the sheer number of people writing, the suspicions of AI use, trying to be discovered, it must be completely demoralizing.
  • bryanlarsen14 minutes ago
    Seems surprising. The first books my daughter really got into all had male protagonists: Harry Potter, Percy Jackson, The Adventurer's Guild.
  • dronesan hour ago
    Maybe it was just because I was a precocious reader at 8-12, but at that age almost none of the "age-appropriate" books in my school library actually interested me. You start to think about difficult "adult" subjects like relationships, mortality, conflict etc, yet no material available to you really addresses these ideas in a way that doesn't feel like they're just completely coddling you from reality. I had to go to the public library to find actual novels I felt were at my maturity level. You had 8 year olds using racial slurs against each other playing call of duty and you're worried they're scarred for life reading "fuck" in a novel? Come on children aren't idiots, expect more from them.
  • RamblingCTOan hour ago
    I was at my typical bookstore lately and I walked right out again. All the recommendations by staff and bestsellers all anchored around "I'm a woman and I see the world like so and so". I wanted inspiration on life in general (think The Alchemist or whatever). Not how it is to be a woman. Not hating, but I'm a dude in my mid thirties and an avid reader. The whole bookstore was remade to cater to young women, tiktok viewers (has selfie walls and shit), and table top games. I get that there's market pressure, but it was already hard to buy books already (like english books taking 3 weeks to be ordered and such). I don't want to order on amazon ...

    Really a pity. Another big store opened 100m from them. Hope they get their ass whooped.

    • bombcar42 minutes ago
      We can protest and complain all we want at the end of the day stores are built for their customers and men and women shop differently.

      We may not like what it says about the world.

      • RamblingCTO29 minutes ago
        Yeah, I know. That was the first moment of my life where I felt obsolete lol.
  • calmworman hour ago
    Marvel is still putting out plenty of them.
  • ryzvonusef2 hours ago

        > Out of curiosity, she compiled a database of 2026 releases and combed through them, analyzing their protagonists. Umesi found[1] a surprising disparity: Girl protagonists outnumbered boys by a ratio of 2 to 1. Some categories, such as realistic fiction and mystery, were especially lopsided, she told me, with ratios of more than 3 to 1. “Girls are taking over!” she said, with a laugh.
    
        > Umesi’s survey offers just one snapshot of the publishing landscape. But others I spoke with in the children’s-book business shared the perception that today’s protagonists are predominantly female. The dearth of male protagonists, some told me, has made it harder to get boys in this age bracket interested in reading.
    
        > The idea that boys might prefer stories about boys sounds awkwardly retrograde, even to the boys themselves. Kids rarely state such preferences outright, Melissa LaSalle, the children’s-book buyer at Old Town Books, in Alexandria, Virginia, told me. Their parents sometimes will, albeit “in a slightly embarrassed way.” Of course, individuals might not connect to a book for any number of reasons: sense of humor, narrative stakes, cover art. “But the unifying theme that I hear resoundingly from parents of boy readers,” LaSalle said, “is, at the end of the day, there are not enough boy protagonists.”
    
    [1]:https://readingmiddlegrade.substack.com/p/we-need-more-boy-b...
  • jonstewartan hour ago
    Dad of a 7 year old boy here: no.

    Oodles of graphic novels these days, plus all the formulaic initial books like Magic Treehouse and Box Car Children, and then you blow their minds by slipping them The Great Brain, The Mad Scientists’ Club, Tom Sawyer, The Dark is Rising…

  • topham2 hours ago
    We just spent the last several years hearing how representation matters, and when the numbers flip sufficiently that a new group is now under represented they get told "that's too bad".

    When you look at where money is spent and by whom, keep it in mind as you shift the demographics of who's watching / reading. The money moves with the groups interest, and it doesn't necessarily get filled by the new demographic.

    • rnd02 hours ago
      >When you look at where money is spent and by whom, keep it in mind as you shift the demographics of who's watching / reading. The money moves with the groups interest, and it doesn't necessarily get filled by the new demographic.

      I'm not clear on what exactly you mean. My best guess is: "media is produced to satisfy an audience's desires" but I'm not even confident that's what you mean.

      • bombcaran hour ago
        Media is not produced to satisfy an audience's desires; that's only indirectly and coincidental; more and more.

        Media is produced to satisfy an executive's desire, which is often based on what they think the audience wants, but sometimes is based on what they think the audience should want.

      • kakacikan hour ago
        Media is rarely passive and never just follows where consumers point to, is it. Eveeybody with some power has some agenda to push on others.

        I dont even mean cia/military-backed ultra patriotic movies from hollywood of the past, eveeybody simply has their opninion and even journalism is rarely objective.

    • stavrosan hour ago
      Representation never mattered, what mattered was to get a different group on top. It's not just men vs women, you see it everywhere. It's like how a poster of black and Asian people is "diverse".
      • jscd33 minutes ago
        Have you considered that when people use the phrase “increase diversity,” they mean across the entire medium? That a movie or book can have, in a vacuum, a fairly limited cast, but if that cast is otherwise unrepresented across film or literature it does increase diversity?
    • UncleMeat33 minutes ago
      Are people saying "that's too bad?" Or are they frustrated to see endless criticism of this argument when it is applied to other groups over the past five years while this topic continues to get litigated.

      I support grants for authors to create a wider variety of literature. Too bad the NEA and NEH have been slashed to ribbons.

    • micromacrofootan hour ago
      > when the numbers flip sufficiently that a new group is now under represented they get told "that's too bad"

      according to whom? do you have any examples?

  • vkgcran hour ago
    This sounds like a pretty dumb explanation due to the obvious fact that you're not forced to only read books which came out in the current year...
  • chabska2 hours ago
    Somehow, one single year of female protagonist majority is more powerful than 3000 years of male protagonist majority.
    • xg1538 minutes ago
      I'd be fine if we could have at least acknowledgment that the problem can hit boys too and not have different standards for different genders.

      Apart from that, it feels dumb to make this a competition.

      • ndsipa_pomu9 minutes ago
        I don't understand how the "problem" is affecting boys when the vast majority of books feature male protagonists.
  • smurf9852an hour ago
    > The idea that boys might prefer stories about boys sounds awkwardly retrograde

    Jeez, how far from common sense are some people nowadays.

  • newAccount2025an hour ago
    Did someone steal all the old books? This is absurd on its face.
    • ryzvonusef16 minutes ago
      There is an implication of advertising; old books obviously exist but no longer advertised not are the front and center when you enter the book store.

      I guess the implication is that without such advertisements, old books are lost media for young kids. Their first brush is with new media that IS advertised to them, and upon finding it not compatible to their tastes (at least acc to the article) young boys tune out of the reading hobby altogether.

      Obvious retort is that this where parents should step in... but that's a whole different debate.

    • crdotson42 minutes ago
      Addressed in the article (which I recognize is behind a paywall so you may not have seen it):

      “But even if the backlist contains a wealth of fiction starring boys, that’s not always a help to today’s young readers. Laura Gardner, a veteran middle-school librarian in Dartmouth, Massachusetts, told me that although some of the classics still stand up—kids love Gary Paulsen’s Hatchet and its sequels, along with the I Survived series—many students have a hard time getting into literature from past decades. Thanks to the disruptions of the pandemic, middle schoolers are coming into Gardner’s library with lower reading levels than they were when she started her career 17 years ago. But even the high-achieving students, she’s noticed, can’t be coaxed into picking up a book for fun unless it’s action-packed. “If the pacing isn’t pretty quick, then you’re going to lose the kid,” Gardner said. Older titles tend to feature more descriptive language and longer chapters; they start with more exposition, and have plots that unspool more slowly than today’s attention spans are used to.”

    • GeoAtreides6 minutes ago
      No one stole the old books, no one is printing or marketing them either.
  • xg15an hour ago
    > The idea that boys might prefer stories about boys sounds awkwardly retrograde, even to the boys themselves. Kids rarely state such preferences outright, Melissa LaSalle, the children’s-book buyer at Old Town Books, in Alexandria, Virginia, told me. Their parents sometimes will, albeit “in a slightly embarrassed way.” Of course, individuals might not connect to a book for any number of reasons: sense of humor, narrative stakes, cover art. “But the unifying theme that I hear resoundingly from parents of boy readers,” LaSalle said, “is, at the end of the day, there are not enough boy protagonists.”

    Meanwhile, it used to be a standard talking point that girls need more female protagonists to identify with, same with other protected classes.

    It would be nice if the arguments were applied consistently.

  • andrewstuartan hour ago
    Sounds like the Critical Drinkers “modern audiences”.
  • UncleMeatan hour ago
    Now lets see the atlantic write endless articles advocating for greater representation of women, racial minorities, lgbt people, and disabled people in media where they are underrepresented.
  • Simulacra2 hours ago
    Maybe the publishers could start a campaign to recruit more male writers, and put greater effort around promoting and publishing their books. Then we could take those books and market them to boys and say look, you can be a writer too.
  • empath75an hour ago
    It is more or less inevitable that successful representation pushes will overcorrect and you get a situation like this. It doesn’t have to be badly intentioned, and it’ll work itself out as the market corrects itself. But my boys have plenty of books to read with male protagonists if they want them. Percy Jackson alone has carried one of my kids through a long stretch of recreational reading. There is, you know, centuries of literature for children available during which male protagonists were over represented.
    • fn-motean hour ago
      > successful representation pushes

      Certainly this is one possible hypothesis.

      There are plenty of other cultural pressures for boys to read less than girls, though. For example, the prominence of male-dominated sports could be drawing their attention.

      I’m wondering if the causal arrow goes the other way: fewer male readers leading to fewer male protagonists.

      If that’s the case, we are already looking at the market correction, we just don’t like it.

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