L Coding is the new Vibe Coding
1 pointby zahirbmirza5 hours ago3 comments
  • proc04 hours ago
    It's simply no longer coding. It's more like DevOps if we only constrain it to the technical aspect of developing an app, in that you are not dealing with code directly as much as with a bunch of other apps that are arranged together to create a pipeline of sorts. Instead of taking code to production this takes an idea to code.
    • zahirbmirza3 hours ago
      Yes, technically coding in natural language is just an even higher order programming language than using something like python. But we can't keep calling serious efforts a vibe. We are growing up from our younger selves.
      • proc02 hours ago
        Well I wouldn't call it coding because natural language is not coding, otherwise everyone is coding everyone else when you are talking to them. Human language is designed for human brains, while computer languages are really specifications built on mathematics.

        We can imagine programming languages that don't work with words easily, like one that works with geometric shapes, and the shape itself describes the computation. Then a compiler looks at the geometry and compiles an app. The fact programming languages ended up overlapping with human language is accidental.

        That's why vibe coding is really not coding because you are not engaging with those mathematical constructs that programming deals with. Yes, the machine is doing it now, but we don't call using Photoshop programming even though the machine is doing things for you. Things like Excel are in the gray area for those reasons as well.

        tl;dr I guess it should just be AI engineering, but like DevOps there is little coding involved but it's just as technical.

  • andsoitis5 hours ago
    "vibe" carries emotion and it rolls off the tongue.
    • zahirbmirza3 hours ago
      Yes, but a negative emotion to some. So now, do we still call serious coding with heavy LLM assistance vibe coding, or something else?
      • andsoitis3 hours ago
        Agentic engineering. It is about the engineering, not about writing FOR loops.

        Or simply: Software Engineering.

  • OopyGoopy4 hours ago
    Nah, we'll still gonna call it vibe-coding. When people know what they are doing and not using AI for literally everything that's not vibe-coding, I think.

    There are people that are like "Claude, make me gta VII, no mistakes", then repeatedly paste errors back to Claude or say what they don't like or what they wanna add. That's vibe-coding.

    I'm almost not using AI at all myself but I still think that vibe-coding is a good term. At least a term that will not be changed soon.

    Or even a better name would be cuck-coding, which I heard some people use.

    • zahirbmirza3 hours ago
      I didn’t think there were many coders left still writing all their actual code. That is cool.
      • eyehatewindows18 minutes ago
        There are plenty of us still around. The slop parade ain't that old yet. It was only like two years ago, that most of us were actually writing code.