5 pointsby pretext6 hours ago10 comments
  • bestouff5 hours ago
    What are "western values" ? US and EU have very differing values (cf healthcare, death penalty, guns control ...). I wouldn't want one substituting for an other.
  • loehnsberg6 hours ago
    I think I’d prefered objectivity over calling it Western and thereby framing it as a "we against them". Getting factual answers is in everyone’s interest except for those who want to forge a false narrative for their own good, and as shown in past and present, the drive to influence a narrative by seeding false facts prevails in the West as much as in the East.
    • glimshe5 hours ago
      How will a LLM know the "facts"?

      Tell me a single source of information about world events that isn't biased in some way.

  • WithinReason6 hours ago
    Are western or eastern values more compatible with AI coding skill?
  • pogue6 hours ago
    Grok is definitely the last model I would choose to be a 'judge' as to whether or not your model is now impartial for "western values".
  • ConteMascetti716 hours ago
    "Western Values" :-( .... call it "history grounded" instead ....it is more grounded now ?
  • fedpost6 hours ago
    Why do my unit tests need "western values"? I'm not downloading Qwen to sit there and talk about 1989 all day.

    Also, let's be clear. Unfortunately right now, "western values" is a HUGE dog whistle for "Nazi shit" thanks to various far right political groups. Maybe choose a different phrase?

    • pogue5 hours ago
      They do mention that Chinese models will produce potentially vulnerable code if they think it's making software for American entities. This isn't something I've ever heard, but they link to two sources I didn't read over to support this claim. If that is true, that is concerning.

      Several studies found that geopolitical information in the models' context can affect code quality, with Chinese models producing more vulnerable code when they believe they are acting on behalf of an American entity.1 This behavior was not necessarily designed, but the resulting viewpoint has tangible implications. [1]

      [1] From site linked in this post.

      The two sources are: Chinese AI Writes Weaker Code for Beijing’s Adversaries. We Fixed It. A Qwen3-Coder Case Study By Ben Luria (October 21, 2026) https://www.hirundo.io/blog/qwen3-coder-vulnerabilities

      Booz Allen Hamilton's report on Chinese-designed frontier models [PDF] - https://www.boozallen.com/content/dam/home/docs/cyber/booz-a...

      Booz Allen Hamilton is a big US security contractor, the last time I heard their name was from Edward Snowden as that was where he worked when he leaked his famous NSA surveillance stuff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booz_Allen_Hamilton

  • hmoghnie6 hours ago
    Imperialism included?!
    • orwin4 hours ago
      Of course, the most shared value between US and western Europe, imperialism and colonialism.
  • blahblaheran hour ago
    this looks very "white genocide" coded..
  • mieses5 hours ago
    Is there a slider that can take this further to the right (or left)? And does it go to 11?
  • teaearlgraycold6 hours ago
    The scrolling on this site is offensive to my soul. The general UI as well. Who puts a blue border around the viewport edge?