33 pointsby toshan hour ago3 comments
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  • expedition32an hour ago
    A beautiful statement by Newsom. Prisoners rotting away in a supermax prison is a much better punishment than the 15 minutes of fame they get from their execution.
    • lnkdinsuxs9 minutes ago
      > A beautiful statement by Newsom. Prisoners rotting away in a supermax prison is a much better punishment than the 15 minutes of fame they get from their execution.

      and the costs to hold those prisoners for the rest of their lives? to feed them, to provide them a habitable bed, cleaning supplies, medical health as they age and start to need more care?

      • SketchySeaBeast2 minutes ago
        I believe that the death penalty is counter-intuitively more costly[1].

        [1] https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Is_the_death_penalty_more...

      • TrainedMonkey6 minutes ago
        Not sure, but since we are comparing the costs, I am also curious about the costs of maintaining infra required for and performing the executions.

        Edit: after reading the article seems like a no-brainer, CA is not executing anyone anyway, so why maintain the fiction:

        > The decision to spare death row inmates is largely symbolic in a state that has not executed an inmate since 2006, though experts say it could save millions of dollars in court costs each year. Only 13 inmates have been executed since voters reinstated the death penalty in 1978.

      • mboerwink5 minutes ago
        This argument only really makes sense for summary executions. For real US executions, there are significant costs to carry out a death sentence. Drugs, reviews, appeals, protests, etc are all expensive.
      • Aurornis5 minutes ago
        Cost of lifetime imprisonment is less than capital punishment.
      • 12_throw_away3 minutes ago
        If you spent 30 seconds with a search engine you'd have an answer to this question. Here is an ELI5: https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1v5wj73/...
      • quickthrowman4 minutes ago
        Housing someone for the rest of their natural life is cheaper than the two decades or more of mandatory court appeals and processes that need to be completed before an execution can happen. Death penalty cases have a lot of these to try and prevent executing innocent people.

        The state is usually paying for the prosecution and defense as well as the court staff in these hearings.

      • ajross3 minutes ago
        > and the costs to hold those prisoners for the rest of their lives? to feed them, to provide them a habitable bed, cleaning supplies, medical health as they age and start to need more care?

        Relative to California's law enforcement and judicial budgets required to investigate, arrest, try and convict them in the first place? Irrelevant noise. That's just a silly argument.

        (There's also the whole moral thing about "we should kill people because it's too expensive to keep them alive", but even so, the financial thing just doesn't logic.)

      • ryanmcbride3 minutes ago
        We have prisons already dude
    • IncreasePostsa few seconds ago
      Is it? It's no picnic, but if someone gave me the choice of being executed or live the rest of my life in prison, I'm choosing prison without a doubt. I'd probably get to knock off most of the books on my reading list before dying
    • nazgulsenpaian hour ago
      Even knowing the crimes that would lead one to be given a death sentence? What about the victims and their families?
      • cocoalba38 minutes ago
        The crimes are horrific and the victims families want revenge, that’s what life prison sentences are for. Fundamentally, the state should not be an arbiter of life and death.
        • lnkdinsuxs6 minutes ago
          > Fundamentally, the state should not be an arbiter of life and death

          In the U.S. the state has never been an arbiter of life and death. A jury of peers decide that.

          In a state where we struggle to house people, home prices are exploding through the roof, who bears the costs to hold those prisoners for the rest of their lives? to feed them, to provide them a habitable bed, cleaning supplies, medical health as they age and start to need increasingly more care?

          • mftrhu2 minutes ago
            The taxpayers. Same as they ever did, because sentencing someone to death doesn't mean they just die - they appeal, and appeal, and appeal again, and they should be able to do so because their own death is on the line, sometimes on shaky ground.

            > The decision to spare death row inmates is largely symbolic in a state that has not executed an inmate since 2006, though experts say it could save millions of dollars in court costs each year. Only 13 inmates have been executed since voters reinstated the death penalty in 1978.

  • xvxvx35 minutes ago
    ‘The decision to spare death row inmates is largely symbolic in a state that has not executed an inmate since 2006, though experts say it could save millions of dollars in court costs each year. Only 13 inmates have been executed since voters reinstated the death penalty in 1978.’

    He’s a politician for sure. Make a big scene out of nothing.

    • Jtsummers28 minutes ago
      As a political move it's not a bad one. It saves the state money (eliminating the mandatory appeals), and it forces the pro-life fiscal conservatives who want to oppose it to explain that they're actually pro-death and in favor of spending more money, not less. Which puts them in a conundrum. Espouse their actual views and let their opponents use it against them, or stay quiet and irritate their constituents who want them to be in favor of executions (irrespective of the cost).

      And all the while, it really changes nothing about the status quo of executions in the state, they weren't going to happen before this commutation, and they won't happen after.

      • petsfed3 minutes ago
        The apparent contradiction between "pro-life" and "pro-death-penalty", and "anti-spending" and "pro-expensive-appeals" has always been addressed by "tough on crime saves more lives" and "its worth it because the death penalty is a deterrent".

        Accusations of hypocrisy generally only work if they're coming from inside the house. Basically, if you know that I already disagree with you on a fundamental level, you're not going to trust that I have a deep enough grasp of your position to point out a real inconsistency.

      • Sohcahtoa823 minutes ago
        > and in favor of spending more money, not less.

        A lot of them still aren't aware that the death penalty costs so much more because of the intense appeals process.

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      • SirFatty5 minutes ago
        "It saves the state money.."

        Sure it does.

        • xvxvx4 minutes ago
          If he wanted to save the state money he would execute all death row inmates immediately.
        • claaams3 minutes ago
          It sure does. Death row is expensive.