Sobriety the following day,
$8,000 for a video card,
Empty boxes on Christmas day.
Can't even rhyme without AI anymore.
Wind blows over clear acres
Buildouts are now dead?
Micron a little as well,
AI corps with their hands out ?
they can go to hell. :}
Regardless of what happens to the AI models, you will still need protection a decade from now.
Not to mention the most comprehensive platform to use with AI, they will inevitably eat Lovable / Repl's lunch.
Cloudflare has a moat but it already smells like sewage.
As an example, Palantir has a similar cash flow / market cap ratio. I didn't check many others.
Lovable is hosted on Cloudflare: https://x.com/CloudflareDev/status/2113651157721600492
Cloudflare is B2B focusing on enterprise sales and underlying cloud infrastructure. These app builder companies are basically B2C and lower end B2B.
Staying in your lane is often a better choice.
Maybe expanding through acquisition is the best of both worlds. So replit might be bought.
Network effects make it harder for Cloudflare to build Replit than it might seem, too.
And the reason for Cloudflare to do it is because there are several (apparently) very juicy businesses to be built by slapping a chat UI and off the shelf coding agent on top of Cloudflare infra... Not saying they should do this, but the rationale is pretty self-evident.
The reason for Replit to try going down the stack is platform risk and compressing margins from competitors who also have the brilliant idea of slapping a text box and off the shelf coding agents onto Cloudflare.
The investors were right that the Internet would be important, and that Cisco would continue to be an important manufacturer of networking infrastructure. This just fundamentally did not matter because after the dot-com bubble popped, the market decided that Cisco simply wasn't worth the price it was selling at during the height of the bubble.
At 10 times revenues, to give you a 10-year payback, I have to pay you 100% of revenues for 10 straight years in dividends. That assumes I can get that by my shareholders. That assumes I have zero cost of goods sold, which is very hard for a computer company. That assumes zero expenses, which is really hard with 39,000 employees. That assumes I pay no taxes, which is very hard. And that assumes you pay no taxes on your dividends, which is kind of illegal. And that assumes with zero R&D for the next 10 years, I can maintain the current revenue run rate. Now, having done that, would any of you like to buy my stock at $64? Do you realize how ridiculous those basic assumptions are? You don't need any transparency. You don't need any footnotes. What were you thinking?
Now this analysis is imperfect... but it's good enough.
For reference Cloudflare trades at 39x revenue
Obviously you wouldn't pay 10x revenue if you expect revenue to be flat for the next 10 years.
No wonder that company no longer exists with a CEO that doesn't get that.
According to these figures, their growth is levelling off.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50382740
And nowhere near enough to sustain that valuation, particularly in a market which is near the end of a bull run.
Here's the valuation though. Percentage of total web traffic going through Cloudflare.
- 2016 ~3.9%
- 2017 ~5.3%
- 2018 ~6.6%
- 2019 ~7.6%
- 2020 ~11.2%
- 2021 ~15.4%
- 2022 ~19.4%
- 2023 ~18.0%
- 2024 ~18.9%
- 2025 ~19.2%
- 2026 (early) ~20.9% (with later snapshots higher, up to the mid-to-high 20s)
Combine that with consistently excellent execution and popularity, you get the valuation.
You're confusing market share with valuation. Also, look into business cycle theory from marathon asset management.
The four most dangerous words in finance "this time is different"
As a retired ‘softie, my spouse still holds a fair bit of MSFT, so I just looked: $0.98…on a $540.00 stock. Yeah, we won’t be living off that in our old age.
Share buybacks are always better for the company and investors.
AI is a hyped up nothing burger? AI demand retreats, lots of vacant compute, revenues sink (and the DC hold ends up being a (small) blessing in disguise for the labs).
AI lives up to it's hype? AI demand surges, capacity is severely constrained, margins explode as inference costs soar (and the DC block ends up being counter productive knee-jerk behavior)
The only way this plays out in anti-AI favor is if people stop using AI and demand goes down. Even if it flatlines, labs can rebalance towards inference and start harvesting those huge margins.
This is surprising to me, given how much acceleration there has been in AI capabilities since the same time last year. I guess costs and risks are accelerating just as fast.
Most voters don’t know what agents are. Many of my coworkers in tech can’t even define “agent” correctly.
So no, the world is likely not suddenly agreeing with you about “jagged performance.”
The Trump administration was expected to invest massively into AI, and money invested into AI is effectively free money for AI company shareholders, that free money is priced in the stocks. With the change in direction, investments are expected to be less, which means less free money, and therefore less valuable stocks.
Even tepid regulation will destroy the "our TIA is the entire observable universe due to the potential of self replicating AI probes so we totally deserve 10 trillion dollars in investor capital" trade
There's zero chance AI datacentres are going away, they are unfortunately a national security necessity now.
It's the "if we don't they will" thing again.
They won't stop it because China won't stop. Politicians have to avoid any appearance of xenophobia though (and to be certain many are personally not xenophobic, just saying optics matter to them), so they talk about jobs and wealth inequality as euphemism for ground truth; we aren't secure putting all our eggs in the China basket.
Arguably screwed up there already letting chips and robotics flow offshore while we focused on increasingly useless education in developer syntax and semantics.
They will cool the AI investment well aware technology improves and we probably don't really need all our investment eggs in that one basket then
The earlier it burns the better, because every day the bubble only grows larger otherwise.
We curtail literally millions of these "futures" every day around the world. They are called children. They are the literal future of humanity.
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Personally, I think that the idea that market always recovers is so widespread right now that it'll take some serious financial hardships for people to start selling instead of buying the dip.
With the housing bubble, it was because people owned multiple homes then struggled to pay two mortgages as economic conditions degraded, and banks were willing to absorb losses if the homes were sold below the cost of the mortgage.
What is encouraging people to route from the stock market? Bond yields aren't high enough yet to encourage people to retreat from stocks, and there's no other alternative investments. Plus, so much of the S&P is held in 401ks. And I agree, economic hardship is not widespread enough for people with significant investment holdings to start selling them off to live. Those who are struggling are those who used to be struggling too (thus, no extra money for investments).