37 pointsby datavorous_3 hours ago12 comments
  • emptybits33 minutes ago
    The human side of the demo scene is what I think makes it appealing. Sharing and consuming. A fellow human did that! Coder-as-problem-solver-and-artist.

    For sure it’s intellectually interesting if AI can generate something novel within demoscene constraints (140 chars or extreme low res or a POKEY chip at 1MHz or whatever) … something humans maybe thought impossible … like a winning move that makes a go or chess grandmaster say WTF. It changes what’s possible. But then most of us (?) still hope the sport/scene/art goes back to human endeavour.

    I’ve been to parties where demos are running on a large screen, even ones we’ve seen before, and the audience will ooo and aah because a human figured out how to do that stuff under constraint. The magic is lost if it’s generated IMO.

    • duskwuff13 minutes ago
      > ... and the audience will ooo and aah because a human figured out how to do that stuff under constraint.

      Or because the audience appreciates the artists' emotion and creative effort embodied in what they're watching. The Razor1911 demo, released at Revision 2026, is a great example there - there's some neat effects but nothing groundbreaking, but that isn't the point. It's a retrospective on the group that produced it, and the surrounding scene, and that's what won it the competition.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWs3N8eaPMY

      https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=105954

  • InvisibleUp2 hours ago
    I think you misunderstand the point of the demoscene. It’s about mathematical prowess and the joy of puzzle-solving moreso than pretty pictures.

    Appropriate uses for AI could be to trace the history of demoscene effects, or to explain how a particular scene works so you can understand it better. Nobody in the scene wants a magic box that solves the puzzle for them.

    • bayarearefugee2 minutes ago
      > Nobody in the scene wants a magic box that solves the puzzle for them.

      Largely true for all people who do creatively skilled tasks, and yet AI is still coming for all of us.

    • GaryBlutoan hour ago
      Who is this hurting, exactly? It's just a project designed for writing short JavaScript animations. Nobody is forcing anybody to use it.
      • cyclopeanutopiaan hour ago
        If you came to my house to take a shit on my carpet, it wouldn't really hurt anyone, but I'd still throw you out.
    • vapel2 hours ago
      I would wager that claiming it to hold one singular meaning for "everybody" is the misunderstanding.
      • Catloafdev2 hours ago
        They aren't referring to "everyone" they are referring to "the people in the demoscene" and they are correct.
      • cwmoore2 hours ago
        How much would you wager? And what’s the house advantage for the scare quotes?

        I shouldn’t add to this mess.

        I used to have a reasonable experience on HN.

      • kelseyfrogan hour ago
        In this one particular instance being a reductionist is ok. I know it's weird, but that's just how it is.
  • xacky3 hours ago
    Demoscenes are a uniquely human endeavour.
    • Rendello2 hours ago
      Every time I see a person leading a model to specialize in a uniquely human endeavour, I think of the last lines of this stanza from Bob Dylan's It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding):

          Disillusioned words like bullets bark
          As human gods aim for their mark
          Make everything from toy guns that spark
          To flesh-colored Christs that glow in the dark
          It’s easy to see without looking too far
          That not much is really sacred
    • cowlevel2 hours ago
      The existence of LLMs is not the problem. The insane way they've been integrated into society is the problem. Back in 2020, GPT-2 was something novel you'd do random experiments with and something like this would've been cool. As long as it remains a silly experiment, it still is cool.
    • p1anecrazy2 hours ago
      The post seems to refer to a very specific subset of demoscene:

      > I came across Dwitter.net, which is like Twitter but for 140 character JavaScript demos. They already supported “remix”-ing any dweet so that we can build on top of them.

    • bitwize2 hours ago
      This person is actually correct. Demos are much more on the art side of coding than most forms of programming, so while LLMs may be up to the mechanical task, they won't produce code with the finesse that a human coder can. That goes double for the art and music. What's more, a demo with AI-gen elements wouldn't be accepted by the community. AI-gen webshit may be embraced by the industry, but the demoscene has different standards: human craftsmanship is the entire point.

      Relatedly, I was a bit surprised and delighted to find out that the Sonic (the Hedgehog) community is vehemently rejecting AI recompiles, ports, and fangame projects. Clankers are ok with them when it comes to Dr. Robotnik's evil creations, but not in the real world!

    • micromacrofoot2 hours ago
      you're absolutely right
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  • vapel2 hours ago
    Neat.

    To me, demoscene was about embracing new technology and using it to express yourself.

    It's enshrined now and so I find it to have served it's purpose. Look forward, not back.

  • grey-area2 hours ago
    Misread this as Demosthenes at first.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demosthenes

    Would be fun to see models trained on ancient figures that you could interact and chat with.

    Less fun to see models imitating human art, they’re not ready for that yet IMP because they’re too derivative and not creative in interesting ways in the way that humans are.

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  • leptons2 hours ago
    >Here is an example, I traced back d/36555 from d/367547 which in turn is derived from d/36467.

    slop. Dwitter is nowhere near approaching a count of d/367547

    • rytillan hour ago
      This is probably a typo and only exists because it was written by a human.
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