13 pointsby entryleveljobsc4 hours ago1 comment
  • Teever2 hours ago
    I suspect that the heated debate and protests around wateruse from datacentres is intentional misdirection by big tech companies to shunt environmental thought/discussion to a managed topic instead of the one they don't want to talk about and can't avoid which is carbon emissions.

    It feels like almost over night we went from not doing enough but caring about carbon emissions and the impending calamity that they will cause to just... not, and and completely forgetting about them and what's about to happen. No real discussion about it in the media, no government policies, or lip service to the topic, just radio silence. The only real environmental discussions that rise up are about water usage near data centres, no bigger picture stuff.

    It's really disturbing how a handful of people can just decide that this is the direction of the global economy and resource allocation, there's no democratic discussion about this or input from experts on climate, economics, or domestic security and self-sufficiency.

    I don't really feel like we live in any close to a democracy in western countries anymore, it just seems like the locus of control is firmly outside of the average person, institutions, or even the moderately wealthy. It's just a few deranged people with more dollars than sense steering the ship into the rocky shore of a desert island.

    • gruezan hour ago
      >I suspect that the heated debate and protests around wateruse from datacentres is intentional misdirection by big tech companies to shunt environmental thought/discussion to a managed topic instead of the one they don't want to talk about and can't avoid which is carbon emissions.

      Is there any evidence of this? If anything they're pretty vocal at refuting that. Otherwise it just sounds like "everyone more radical than me are false flag industry shills to make the movement look bad, and everyone less radical than me are industry plants trying to water legislation down".

    • hoppp2 hours ago
      Water is something to protest against now because it's very visible. There is a daily water consumption.

      The climate impact, like with cars or the oil industry is a boring future issue.

      • sixoan hour ago
        It's just a terrible point. You couldn't make a weaker case against data centers if you tried.
    • RetroTechiean hour ago
      US != rest of the world. Even within the US, it's economics more than politics that decide where things are headed. Those economics have shifted in favour of renewables.

      And personally I expect that datacenter buildout to slow down. The AI bubble won't last, and average dude in the street simply won't up their spending on AI (applications) to a level that justifies the ongoing buildout.

      Yes lots of resources will be wasted. But it won't last, markets & investors will correct the situation somehow.