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  • Buttons8404 hours ago
    I'd feel a lot better if I knew some red team security researchers were going hard trying to break into critical national infrastructure, just to ensure it's not too easy, but probably this isn't happening because it would be a felony to even try. The bad guys are free to try though.

    All this will tend to get blamed on AI, but AI didn't put these vulnerabilities into place. AI is just a tool that can be used to discover vulnerabilities, and the only question we have to answer is whether or not that tool should be available to regular people.

    Some will try to frame the question as being about whether we should allow AI aid in cyber-security, but that's not the question. This technology isn't going away. The bad guys will have it. Nations will have it. Again, the question is, can regular people also continue to have it?

    • parable2 hours ago
      As someone who has helped to secure critical national infrastructure several years ago, I can say that it was a mess to disclose the vulnerabilities I identified, and in some cases it took years to patch them. Some of these vulnerabilities were RCEs and mass PII leaks. It's simply not worth the risk for most people - who aren't in the USA - to bother doing this sort of security research. However, if you are in the USA, there are provisions in the CFAA that enable good-faith security research to take place (https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/department-justice-a...), so to the best of my understanding, you're able to do good-faith research without being charged or prosecuted, and you should take advantage of this if you have the skills or models to do so. I am not based in the USA, and there are no laws in my country that guarantee me zero jail time for simply trying to do the right thing, so I am not incentivized to continue finding vulnerabilities in my country's infrastructure.

      Edit: If other countries don't catch up and include similar provisions in their laws, they'll simply fall behind and put their citizens at risk. I'm sure every country has individuals willing to help that currently feel unsafe - look at the large amount of bug bounty hunters worldwide who, I'm sure, wouldn't mind practicing their skills by securing their country's infrastructure.

    • cpa2 hours ago
      It is absolutely happening, paid by your taxpayer dollars (if you’re American).

      Most major countries have this kind of programs. Those could probably be bigger and they will always miss obvious stuff but they exist, at least for CNI.

    • Melatonic35 minutes ago
      Don't worry - Siri is on it - that's actually why they've been so lacklustre. Just too busy hacking for the good guys
    • mike_dan hour ago
      > I'd feel a lot better if I knew some red team security researchers were going hard trying to break into critical national infrastructure

      They are. Most critical infrastructure providers worldwide have in house or contract red teams. Every western government has an agency dedicated to cyber defense and they all have red team programs.

    • aslilac3 hours ago
      imagine if we just turned off 90% of the non-critical internet for two weeks, hardened up in an absolute mad dash where everyone has access to top tier cyber models, and then afterwards we go back to business as usual. it’d be a disaster short-term but long-term would it be worse than the years of slow drip we’re about to go through? idk! I kinda think it’d be interesting to find out!
      • AlecSchueler2 hours ago
        Imagine if everyone had just stayed at home for a week in 2020.
        • mmwelt22 minutes ago
          Everyone would be very difficult. You'd still need some people to make sure essential services are still functioning, and that still involves quite a large number of people.
        • jtolmaran hour ago
          It'd take more than a week, but even now, if the whole world coordinated a simultaneous quarantine, we'd eliminate covid, the flu, the common cold, and a thousand nameless respiratory cruds.
        • fyredge2 hours ago
          That was my first thought as well. With COVID, we recognised that WFH was viable for white collar work. Perhaps a global 2 week cleanse will allow everyone to re-evaluate life priorities outside of the internet.

          I see hope in what happened during the blackout in Spain/Portugal.

          • mentalgearan hour ago
            what happened there ?
            • bertyliciousan hour ago
              I think they are referring to the reports of people suddenly meeting on the streets and hanging out together back then.
            • fodkodraszan hour ago
              Nothing, I guess, and that is a good thing, I guess: the world didn't even by a day (few days?) without electricity.
    • AspireOne3 hours ago
      Regular people are often bad guys too, you know. If the reality was "bad guys will have it. Should regular people too?" The entire core dilemma would be entirely eliminated lol.
  • 131729 minutes ago
    So if someone's got into their systems can they put a dump of all the PDFs up somewhere?
  • x______________an hour ago
    Seems Scribd made the news 13 years ago for the same issue[0] [1] and an archive.org link of the original-now-deleted announcement[2]!

    0 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5493280 Scribd hacked – emails and hashed passwords leaked (scribd.com) 106 points by joosters on April 4, 2013 | hide | past | favorite | 65 comments

    1 https://thenextweb.com/news/scribd-reveals-it-was-hacked-thi...

    2 https://web.archive.org/web/20130407114005/https://support.s...

    Notable callouts from 2013: "Our investigation indicates that no content, payment and sales-related data, or other information were accessed or compromised. We believe the information accessed was limited to general user information, which includes usernames, emails, and encrypted passwords."

    "We take our responsibility to protect our users' data extremely seriously and constantly improve our security infrastructure and policies. Following this incident, we have implemented numerous additional safeguards. Not only have we taken steps to address the specific issues that led to this incident, but we are also conducting a comprehensive security review and are implementing more general measures to proactively enhance security. We are also alerting relevant authorities to the matter and will co-operate with their investigation."

  • smurda4 hours ago
    I only received this same email a few hours ago, Oct 30. Why not tell all customers at once, especially if payment information was involved?

    And they posted about a security incident on their blog on Oct 1. https://support.scribd.com/hc/en-us/articles/53787421531284-...

    • x______________2 hours ago
      The email received is a rehash of the linked article, nice find.

      >Why not tell all customers at once, especially if payment information was involved?

      Answered in the article!

      “Q: Am I affected? How will I be notified?

      A: We are sending notices to affected individuals in phases, so not everyone has received theirs yet“

      And also..

      "Q: Where can I find the latest updates?

      A: The latest updates regarding the incident will be made available on this page.“

      ..."Updated October 01, 2026 19:29"

      For a site where you find data, they are completely devoid of any useful data on their own incident and redirecting everyone to phone calls where data cannot easily be shared.

    • edoceo4 hours ago
      [dead]
  • vrotaruan hour ago
    It looks like we all enjoyed "Security through obscurity", where obscurity was referring to existing vulnerabilities.

    And also, that this is over.

  • parable2 hours ago
    Please forgive my stupidity, but is there any particular reason why companies never seem to disclose what "system" of theirs was breached? If this breach came about as a result of a security incident at a third-party, would it not benefit everyone minus the vendor to shift the blame? I understand that they say "our systems", but I've seen companies say this before when what they mean is "a system controlled by a vendor we contracted".
  • neya3 hours ago
    Scribd is the most predatory site that steals people's content and then doesn't honor their promise (upload a PDF to download one..oops that one doesn't qualify, but we will keep your copy!). Fuck em, they built their entire model on predatory behaviour towards broke college students, hope they burn to the ground.
  • reassess_blind2 hours ago
    I run a few small scale SaaS products. This is a scary time.
  • rememo42an hour ago
    How do we even know which credit card is affected by this if we want to cancel it?
    • x______________12 minutes ago
      >How do we even know which credit card is affected by this if we want to cancel it?

      "If you have additional questions, contact the dedicated call center at +1-877-361-9887. Hours of operation are Monday-Friday, 11:00 a.m.-11:00 p.m. Central European Time."

  • paaloeye4 hours ago
    • paaloeye4 hours ago
      > We detected that an unauthorized third party may have gained access to certain user data in one of our systems. After investigating this activity, we found that the third party may have accessed your email address and the following of your information: last 4 digits of your credit card and country, credit card issuer, credit card expiry date.
  • bluecode4 hours ago
    No one is safe anymore.
    • dlt7137052 hours ago
      No one has ever been safe. I would rephrase it as: "More and more people are becoming aware of their exposure".
    • Razengan4 hours ago
      Hide yo apps, hide yo websites, hide yo hosts
      • totetsu4 hours ago
        How long until we all get cyber-war fatigue and this isn't even news anymore.
        • Razengan4 hours ago
          Man, people stopped caring about all the leaks and breaches and dark web data sales over 10 years ago
          • Avicebron3 hours ago
            Is resignation because nothing was ever fixed or done about it because it wasn't "economically viable" considered not caring?
            • Razengan3 hours ago
              Until the people in power start going to jail or losing their jobs, instead of just paying fines as "the cost of doing business" from the company accounts, probably nothing will be fixed
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      • Beez2Fancy2 hours ago
        U WIN @ teh internetz comments 2 nite. congrats!
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  • collabs4 hours ago
    I don't see any email like this in my inbox. Perhaps they are only sending this email to those who have their payment information saved on Scribd?
  • kooi3 hours ago
    Not a security person, but are there standards for PII encrypted at rest?

    Surely this is common? Surely?

    • mirashii3 hours ago
      This is a common sentiment, but the security story isn’t so clear cut as that. Encrypted at rest really just means that if you yank the disk out of the server, an adversary can’t read it. But if it’s a system that is online serving a database and you gain access to the application reading from the database, encryption at rest doesn’t save you. It’s obvious the application server must be able to read the decrypted data. If an adversary breaches the application, they get the data.
      • waste_monk2 hours ago
        >It’s obvious the application server must be able to read the decrypted data

        Interestingly, that's not true. Homomorphic encryption can let you perform the same operations on encrypted data as on the plaintext, with the same results once decrypted. But it's vastly slower and less efficient - I know there are libraries like Microsoft SEAL but I've never seen anything that uses it in practice.

        • cuu5082 hours ago
          Let's say the application is storing user's phone number so it can send SMS notifications to the user. Encrypt it all you want, but when it is time to send the SMS you will need the phone number in plaintext so you can pass it to the SMS gateway.
  • 8cvor6j844qw_d64 hours ago
    Did some exploit get disclosed? HN frontpage is spammed with breaches.
    • wafflemaker17 minutes ago
      Maybe the Cursor IDE compromise? It might be what got Binance. And it made a lot devs machines backdoored between Wednesday 28th Oct and whenever people decide to remove the backdoor from their machines.
    • ipsum24 hours ago
      The exploit is called AI (or LLMs)
  • isatty3 hours ago
    You’re saying sribd has actually worked for people? I just ignore it in my searches and just find the pdf elsewhere.
    • x______________2 hours ago
      > I just ignore it in my searches and just find the pdf elsewhere.

      In retrospect, this was the correct way to proceed.

      The docs I found were content, but nothing that could be used for its original purpose. Splurging a monthly subscription to find out sucked, but being breached and getting my info stolen is a kick in the ass.

  • paaloeye4 hours ago
    I'm wonder how many users are exposed
  • engineer_224 hours ago
    Nice, I've been trying to hack scribd to download a pdf all day
  • xvector2 hours ago
    It's so interesting seeing all of these breaches and then going back to the old threads on Mythos and seeing the widespread skepticism and denial on HN.
  • pquigley4 hours ago
    [flagged]
  • PeterHolzwarth4 hours ago
    @dang, always been curious about this: why are posts like this grey text vs dark test? It's difficult to read, being so low-contrast. I assume it's based on numbers, the poster, up/downvotes etc - but it seems a poor use of those systems given it sacrifices readability. Is it just a light mode thing? Is it just me?
    • avree3 hours ago
      As far as I know this is a relic from the PG days. It was done to keep the focus on URL based submissions, and avoid people using the platform as a text/blogging platform (at the time, Reddit was rising, and self posts there were already very common.) URLs were dark, text was meant to support the URL and was lighter.

      I think the color actually got lightened a few times.

    • Sn0wCoder2 hours ago
      Was the text light grey before you clicked the comments? Typically the link turns from almost black to light grey after you visit the site, just like a normal link will turn from blue to purple after you click the link to indicate you have visited the site. In this post for example the link goes to the 'Tell HN:' so the link goes directly to the comments. Could it be you did not pay attention until you had visited the comments once already??
      • PeterHolzwarth2 hours ago
        It's been 22 mins since I left my comment - the original post is still light grey (that doesn't mean much, but as this post accumulates upvotes, I don't yet see any change in test color).
    • Barbing2 hours ago
      It’s way, way too low contrast.

      Edit: “@dang” apparently doesn’t ‘work’, but emailed this to hn@ycombinator.com

    • dozerly4 hours ago
      I always assumed it was the down arrow affecting it, but I have always giggled at the fact that people with sharp eyes have to endure the bad posts while others do not
      • vigilantpuma2 hours ago
        I think that’s true for comments but not posts.
  • jacquesm4 hours ago
    [flagged]
  • TZubiri5 hours ago
    Wonder if there's anything of worth.

    Hackers got their hands on a loot of 300k pirated book pdfs? And internal documents that were already leaked by someone that googled "how to share a pdf".

    • coldfloor5 hours ago
      Geez, I know nobody here clicks through and reads articles before commenting, but are we not even reading the posts now?

      >we found that the third party may have accessed your email address... last 4 digits of your credit card and country, credit card issuer, credit card expiry date, payment history

      • TZubiri4 hours ago
        not even worth disclosing nowadays, almost entirely public info
        • derwiki4 hours ago
          Great reason to use privacy.com virtual cards wherever possible and online
          • parable2 hours ago
            This is good advice for anyone who lives in the USA, but there are hardly any adequate alternatives for the rest of the world, as far as I know.
            • x______________2 hours ago
              OP> Great reason to use <...> virtual cards wherever possible and online

              > but there are hardly any adequate alternatives for the rest of the world, as far as I know.

              Maybe start with your bank?

              My local (Central European) bank offered virtual cards service yesterday to which I declined setting them up on site, will strongly reconsider now, thanks!

              • parablean hour ago
                My bank is the opposite of yours. They used to offer a similar service but shuttered it a few years ago. A shame.
          • tjwebbnorfolk4 hours ago
            yea, until privacy.com gets hacked
            • aliasxneo4 hours ago
              What would they do with my bank account and routing number?
              • AdieuToLogic4 hours ago
                > What would they do with my bank account and routing number?

                Use it for money laundering and fraud.

    • fnord774 hours ago
      I don't even think they actually pirated book pdfs. Just previews to get you to sign up that lead to no where
      • LordGronk3 hours ago
        Scribd has a ton of oop but copyrighted licensed content, which I highly doubt they pay licensing fees for.