116 pointsby stevenalowe5 days ago15 comments
  • whatsakandr2 days ago
    This headline is wrong. This has nothing to do with thermal cameras. It's "cloaking" by making it appear to have the same bulk thermal properties as it's surroundings.
    • schiffern2 days ago
      Yes. Unfortunately many people are reading this thinking it's a FLIR invisibility cloak.

      FYI Ukraine already has FLIR invisibility cloaks (fancy camo space blankets): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfdF3iIwoX4

      This is thermal cloak, explained here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM2RJi4mRZ0&t=52s

      Notably it only works after the heat flow settles back down to equilibrium. If you're moving, it doesn't work.

      • simonh2 days ago
        There are loads of videos of Ukrainian FPV drones with thermal cameras hunting Russians trying to hide using something like space blankets. The blankets work up to a point, if the target were completely covered they would be hard to spot, but if parts of the soldier are not covered or are revealed during movement, it doesn't work out well for the target.

        The videos remind me of the scene in Dune where Paul is hiding from the hunter-seeker that tracks based on movement.

      • natpalmer17762 days ago
        Which seems like it would be good for fixed installations that need to remain undetected, no?
        • schiffern2 days ago
          The other caveat is that it only works if you're embedded inside a solid object. ;)

          If you're in free space, the surface can't shine its IR differently in different directions, so under FLIR it will just look like the average ambient temperature. This is no better than existing (cheap and light) space blanket camo systems.

          • petsfed2 days ago
            The main problem with space blankets is that they eventually heat up. So they only work for a little while, and then have to re-equilibrate back to ambient, then you put them back on, then take off to re-equilibrate...

            So this new tech appears to overcome that shortcoming, for static objects.

          • m4rtink2 days ago
            Well, could be still useful for hiding things in bulk materials ?

            From scientific uses (sensors, cables or supports not disrupting experiments) to smuggling/hiding listening devices/trackers or boobytraps in bulk shipments, etc.

        • giantg22 days ago
          More likely craft looking to reduce heat seeking missles or detection. Think better heat diffusion on helicopter or tank exhaust. Fixed installations would use thermal nets or space blankets.
      • inSumErgoCogito2 days ago
        So a "heatpump cooling", store concentrated heat and inject it into the ground would work much better?
    • BugsJustFindMe2 days ago
      > It's "cloaking" by making it appear to have the same bulk thermal properties as it's surroundings.

      I'm not sure what you think the difference is?

  • AuthAuth2 days ago
    This is gonna be going straight to Ukraine
  • sebstefan2 days ago
    > Although the current cloak represents a major advance, the researchers want to develop more sophisticated versions capable of performing additional functions. One particularly important goal is to conceal objects that produce heat themselves

    I read the entire thing thinking it could cloak a soldier

    • scotty792 days ago
      It could cloak a well insulated soldier from being a dark spot on the background.
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  • nickandbro2 days ago
    I believe the Russians tried something similar in Ukraine with cloaking themselves to fool infrared drones.
    • qlte2 days ago
      Using 50 cent Mylar blankets which ... did not work like they hoped from the videos I've seen.
      • fwip2 days ago
        I mean, you're not gonna see the videos in which they did work.
  • tescreal2 days ago
    Next cyberpunk wizpop toy: thermoptic cameoflage.

    The future is turning out to be fascinating as concerning.

  • bitwize2 days ago
    We have AIs hacking people's computers and brains, and now we have the Major's thermo-optic camouflage. They were right to keep the newest Ghost in the Shell set in 2029-2030. Seems like it's right on time.
  • computemachines2 days ago
    Maybe this could be used to hide a cold spot from a wafer bake pin.
  • nxobject2 days ago
    A Faraday for heat, eh?
  • dalmo32 days ago
    I've always wanted to hide apples inside pears.
  • jagged-chisel2 days ago
    Does this work for things that emit heat?
    • thenthenthen2 days ago
      The article mentions thats the next step
    • SeanAnderson2 days ago
      Doesn't everything emit heat? :)
      • chorsestudios2 days ago
        no, the vacuum of space does not emit heat
        • antonvs2 days ago
          Interstellar space behaves as an almost perfect blackbody radiator, at a temperature of 2.725 Kelvin, due to the cosmic microwave background. As such, it does "emit heat", albeit an extremely small, but measurable amount.
      • 2 days ago
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    • glitchc2 days ago
      Let me answer your question with a question: Does the infrared camera detect emitted heat?
      • jagged-chisel2 days ago
        Generally? Yes.

        In this case? No idea.

      • antonvs2 days ago
        Not clear where your question is coming from, but it detects heat that's emitted as infrared radiation.
  • vivzkestrel2 days ago
    - future soldier 2 loading....
  • bamboozled2 days ago
    Bad luck skynet
    • keyle2 days ago
      And that Predator monster!
  • graboy2 days ago
    Wow, a blanket!
    • scotty792 days ago
      When you cover yourself with the blanket, others see the blanket. When you cover yourself with this, others see background.
    • thenthenthen2 days ago
      More like an iron maiden
  • SV_BubbleTime2 days ago
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    • jdlshore2 days ago
      Is dismissing people’s work so rudely how you make yourself feel superior?
      • thin_carapace2 days ago
        that guy taught me something new about glass in a snarky fashion , while you delivered pure snark. no comment to add, merely an observation
    • tarpitt2 days ago
      you can't make a drone entirely out of glass
      • onion2k2 days ago
        Can you fly a drone that's covered with a cloak?
        • mrandish2 days ago
          Probably not very well if the drone is the typical (quad)copter type since the shield will likely obstruct the airflow from the propellers reducing lift. The added weight of the shield is also likely to be a problem in small drones as most are already weight constrained. Although in small electric copters like those used in Ukraine, I'm not sure how often thermal imaging is used as a primary detection vector (due to size, distance and daytime thermal delta from below).

          Thermal is definitely a primary vector in detecting larger drones like the Reaper due to large combustion or jet engines, but in that case the challenge isn't cloaking the drone, it's cloaking the heat of the vented exhaust that's likely leaving a thermal 'contrail' across the sky.