Hacker reverses Samsung TV, finds on-board AI listening OpenAI account suspended(www.reddit.com)
115 pointsby testing223214 hours ago10 comments
  • MisterMunchkin38 minutes ago
    Remember guys, if they are reading it for wrongthink, they are reading it for industrial espionage.

    Anthropic and openAI just announced they’re spinning out competitors to their biggest customers… right after ingesting all of their IP and contracts. Do the math.

    (Or don’t, because they’ve been caught stealing math research)

  • 3abiton2 hours ago
    This is again will be very funny race to watch. Right now you can fairly do lots of reverse enginnering or "hacking" with off the shelf Chinese models, and they are very capable (GLM3 for example) which can be run locally if you stomach the hardware. Tools like rea are also becoming more popular. If openai continues to be pedantic, they will lose the technical base given how close is the gap getting.
    • kmac_an hour ago
      The company I work for has a plan B to switch to alternative, self-hosted models if providers pull off strange moves, such as drastic pricing changes. We have already switched from one provider to another once, and we do not want to get burned again. We do not reverse engineer, just regular development.
    • figmert34 minutes ago
      For the past few days I've been trying to use rea to reverse engineer my Samsung Galaxy Buds 4 Pro to get seamless functionality working outside of the Samsung ecosystem with no luck (the buds 4 pro require Samsung devices + a Samsung account for seamless to work, I only have a Galaxy phone + my macbook). I think we're still far away from having something that works that well.
  • tintor2 hours ago
    This looks very bad on OpenAI.

    What is next? Power and water company suspending your account if your home and car are not streaming enough telemetry.

    I am glad that open models are closing on frontier.

    • technionan hour ago
      Claude is absurdly sensitive to anything that touches cyber, and threatens bans if it gets a whiff of a pentest going on. it wouldnt surprise me if openai had a similar approach.

      Yesterday I joked that claude gave me a cyber stop for asking how to make the anime girl video for an exploit, but it was a thing that happened. Meanwhile im trying to convince people around me that having grok nudify people isnt "fine" just because grok says it is. Its wild where the lines a drawn.

    • alfiedotwtf18 minutes ago
      With Kimi K3.1 Pro, today WAS the day they actually caught up.

      I’ve been saying this for the past few months - once the inflection point happens (such as today), it’s only a matter of 2 years when American closed models won’t be able to catch up with Chinese open models

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  • ada-h00k2 hours ago
    If OpenAI really banned him for that reason, that would be pretty stupid. If you can no longer use an LLM for reverse engineering without worrying about your account, that drastically reduces its value.
    • spockz22 minutes ago
      In my efforts to reverse engineer the LG firmware to validate Gamers Nexus claims, I got a warning very quickly. I appealed that quickly and successfully.

      Then I applied for daybreak blue and haven’t had any issues since.

      It also a matter of phrasing. Say what you want to achieve not how if it is approaching defensive or cyber stuff.

      Also state you are working on your own devices and software. (If that is the case of course.)

  • luma2 hours ago
    Dog bark and baby crying detection are advertised features for SmartThings integrations. Door bell and door knocking are also included, this is surfaced directly if you hook the TV or sound bar into SmartThings.
    • pawelduda11 minutes ago
      I had to check this and it's true. Not saying Samsung or 3rd parties don't take advantage of any data they can collect, but the story the tweets tell is super biased against them. Here, the detection seems limited to specific pattens required for a particular feature.
  • tkel2 hours ago
    from his twitter account:

    > if your samsung TV model doesnt have a microphone, it will look for connected devices with one, such as a soundbar or a connected bluetooth device. this gets shipped off to bixby.

    • throwa356262an hour ago
      Is this not the expected function when you use bixby?

      (Not saying people should use bixby mind you)

  • Hugsun2 hours ago
    I'm curious if someone has started cataloging these cases. These spying TVs seem like a common industry practice.
    • jeevaan hour ago
      I believe GamersNexus were talking about doing more exhaustive testing across different brands after their video on LG models specifically.
  • kjsinghan hour ago
    so is the hardware mic-off button on Samsung TV any good?
  • znpyan hour ago
    so glad i bought a dumb tv.

    i remember going store to store in search of one.

    gg me, that was a smart move.

  • Den_VR2 hours ago
    The tile references on-board ai. “On-board ai” here is automatic content recognition. Imagine my disappointment
    • pprotas41 minutes ago
      AI is simply an if/else statement in disguise, you didn’t know that?