32 pointsby mikelgan6 hours ago8 comments
  • BLKNSLVR5 hours ago
    All these decades with little, slow action on climate change, and all it actually took was the seven largest companies in the world wanting more power than is commonly available and, yes, we can find ways of making the average household more efficient right away!

    It's a sad, but true, indictment about how scaled humanity works.

    • bagacrap4 hours ago
      Funny because the way I look at it is, all the things I've ever done or will do in my life to reduce energy consumption, including shipping efficiency improvements to billions of installments of consumer software, means nothing because suddenly the investors of the world have an insatiable appetite for compute and all of big tech's talk about social progressivism is thrown out the window.
      • schiffern4 hours ago
        I call it the "paper straws vs private jets" problem.

        It's often overlooked that large wealth gaps are incompatible with a sustainable society. High prices will save the Tuna from extinction (economists were right!), except if there's a market for $10,000/plate sushi.[0] People are motivated to live efficiently, except if we see gross unfairness in the rest of society.

        "Don't use trees faster than they grow" is the obvious part of sustainability. This is less obvious but no less important.

        [0] shamelessly ripped from Donella Meadows keynote talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhSpzQhvFS8

      • BLKNSLVR4 hours ago
        I think it's both, in the worst way.

        1. From "We can't do X, it'll have to be a very slow transition over decades" to "alright, this is how it's going to work"

        2. From "we need to be more efficient in power use at every iteration, we constantly need to be looking to do more with less" to "build as much of this, most power hungry thing humanity has created, as possible as quickly as possible, no there was never a forest there, go go go"

  • benoau5 hours ago
    > adjusting tens of thousands of smart thermostats at once, effectively moving their electricity usage to a time when there is less demand

    Somewhere amongst this was a great opportunity for reducing consumption of electricity from dirty sources, mass-optimizing millions of thermostats, car and electric bikes/etc charging, refrigerators, computer power settings etc to reduce emissions... but now it sounds like it should be illegal.

    • aDyslecticCrow5 hours ago
      Sweden have by hour and more recently by 10 minute electricity billing. Companies use it in automatic load balancing, car chargers use it, and IoT pilled dads in their 50s make home assistant schedules based on it.

      It's pretty good! The need came from the high variability of wind power. Less dystopian than ... data centers... urgh.

      It's of course optional. If you optimise well you can beat the monthly or daily tables and save quite a bit. If you don't care; you pay whatever the grid operator estimates.

    • superb_dev5 hours ago
      Actually there are some utilities out there with programs like this!
    • stvltvs4 hours ago
      My local utility has basically this program.
  • mikestorrent5 hours ago
    I have an EV charger that already pays me an offset, apparently selling the carbon credits I am not using by not driving with gasoline? It doesn't pay a ton, but it's interesting.

    I have heard of efforts to link thermostats etc. with this virtual power plant idea so that when there is an energy demand one's home appliances stop working so hard and use less energy. This of course could lead to hot/cold houses for people, so there must always be the option to manually override if the discomfort is a problem. So many of these efforts come from e.g. California... other places in the world have wider weather extremes to worry about!

  • gnabgib4 hours ago
    Source article: We are working with Voltus to build a 1-gigawatt virtual power plant (2 points, yesterday) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50198487

    Origin 5 months ago Google and Voltus sign agreement for smart energy capacity (3 points) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48371484

  • Vaushite5 hours ago
    (They'll still pay more for electricity, but less than if they hadn't taken the deal)

    Edit: why is this comment suddenly grounds for an auto shadowban??????

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  • Izikiel435 hours ago
    It would be interesting if google started to offer deals on getting people solar and having an exclusive contract with individuals on the output.

    Basically, you get solar and battery, and google gets the excess power.

    • Vaushite3 hours ago
      Google and all these other companies can't tolerate variable output. They need to be running 24/7 to even have a snowball's chance in hell of financially breaking even. But if they could do that, they'd just put the solar panels on their own roof.
      • ssl-33 hours ago
        This point of this whole concept is about getting better about dealing with variable production. It seeks to better-fit flexible demands against production variations, and thereby smooth things out.

        (...which is actually really good for all of us even if we're not active participants in the game, as far as I can tell.)

  • johnea4 hours ago
    Of course, here in the US, regalation, is not only misspelled, it's also a dirty word.

    Mostly because it fails to keep all the dirt of industrial processes from landing in everyone's yard 8-/

    In China, you know, where their tech is kicking our ass (why else do we need to keep an ever increasing amount of it out of the country completely?), there are new regulations that require data centers to reach total energy self sufficiency, based on sustainable sources:

    https://enviliance.com/regions/east-asia/cn/report_10060

    Here in the US, any legal entity that's not able to spend at least millions in lobbying and other bribery is not a consideration for the government...

    • claaams3 hours ago
      Mr kushner sends his regards.