17 pointsby doener2 hours ago1 comment
  • java-man2 hours ago
    Read elon's answer on twitter, it's infuriating.
    • zombocomvibesan hour ago
      I'd rather not visit that site, mind a copy and paste?
      • java-manan hour ago

          What’s actually going on in Ukraine is that there is a massive incentive difference between the elites and the people. 
        
          The former have grown very rich off the hundreds of billions flowing to Ukraine, while the latter’s children are conscripted to die in trenches.
        
        https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2113677835244044748

        A private citizen turning off a military system with everyone in the administration ok with it?

        • armchairhackeran hour ago
          I would be curious to actually know.

          Last I’ve heard, most civilians polled want the war to end…but would rather keep fighting than end without concessions Russia isn’t willing (IIRC restoring occupied territory, maybe NATO). But I think that was over a year ago.

          Personally (I a non-Ukrainian) think it’s horrendous they physically kidnap young men and place them in the front lines, which they are accused of and probably to some extent doing. I doubt it’s effective, and if it’s that or lose, they’ve already lost. But if the Ukrainian majority in Ukraine does not want to officially surrender, and I can definitely understand why, we should keep supporting them. Otherwise it should end. Though if denying weapons and other resources is unlikely to reduce the bloodshed, we should continue providing them but change our messaging, using that evidence to persuade other nations.

        • lawnan hour ago
          Even if that would be true, turning off these systems would just kill more of the people.

          Almost like he's the elite he's complaining about.

          Always projection.

        • doublerabbitan hour ago
          I can't find a single thread to like the guy, how can other folk?

          He is just so insufferable.

        • locknitpicker32 minutes ago
          > A private citizen turning off a military system with everyone in the administration ok with it?

          The Trump administration has all the hallmarks of Russian assets, and Elon "please invite me to your wildest parties mr Epstein" Musk is no different. Once you start to look at those bunch through that perspective, their once incomprehensible and self defeating stunts start to make sense.

          Hillary Clinton warned all you guys that Trump was a Russian asset and you learned nothing.

          • mrlonglong9 minutes ago
            Musk had better watch it or he'll become a legitimate target.