89 pointsby skadamat4 hours ago28 comments
  • bushido2 hours ago
    > A BI tool is mostly a way to turn a query into a picture, and a picture now costs about $0.50 of tokens. It gets hard to justify a $150k licence for that part

    That is an awfully simplified view of BI. In my experience, most companies struggle to define what is important, what needs to be measured, and how those measurements should be used to improve business.

    While businesses try to work these details out, they try getting their analysts to in the author's words print out good pictures. But the BI tools really exist to make it easy for analysts to navigate hairy internal situations.

    Producing a picture or HTML more easily is not going to solve the decisioning problem. If anything it might make it worse.

    In the end, it's going to cost a lot more than 50 cents a picture.

    • yfontanaan hour ago
      Yeah, I personally draw a distinction between data viz and BI. AI has definitely changed the former, it's pretty cool to be able to design visuals with claude design: you're not bound by what libs can do, html + svg lets you visualize data exactly how you want (and you can even get fancy with 3d stuff, with the pitfall of just showing eye candy with no real insights). I've built some fun stuff like that myself (also with duckdb-wasm).

      But BI is more than just visualization: you need stuff like solid data models and semantic layers, tools that help enforce data governance (so that the same metric doesn't get re-defined in 12 different places, possibly with slight variations each time), proper access control (with RLS/CLS). Sure you can probably vibe-code your own BI tool, but it's gonna take quite a bit more work than just the viz part.

    • abirch30 minutes ago
      I have loved D3 for more than a decade but I'd never recommend it to a client because maintenance requires a large learning curve. Not any more, ${YourAIAgent} + D3 is awesome.
  • SeanAndersonan hour ago
    Ayeee! We're actively doing this right now at my company. One of the more clever engineers has tackled replacing a $300k/yr Looker subscription, which we've paid for a decade, with a homegrown implementation sponsored by Claude.

    And it seems like we're succeeding! To be fair, we weren't making good use of Looker's features and so the problem was easier than expected... but the core idea was validated in a couple of weeks, we've had just one person on the project part-time for a couple of months, and we told Looker (well, Google) we won't be renewing yesterday.

    We're just doing a 1:1 conversion to start with the hope that our customers barely notice the change. Afterward, we'll re-envision our dashboards with the new found flexibility of not serving them via iframe.

    Crazy times!

  • phone_book3 hours ago
    Over a decade ago i worked at a company with a BI tool that was exactly this, minus the AI of course. it was just PHP pages backed by embedded SQL built by a non engineer. anytime someone wanted a different slice of data, the person just copied an existing page and swapped out the sql and the column names. URL query string was used for the different parameters of the SQL statement, i forget if it was open to sql injection but it was an internal tool only. even after implementing a BI tool everyone still used the PHP pages because it was faster and easier to just bookmark the specific page you want with the data you wanted.

    much like low code tools, most people dont want to mess with self serve BI. AI might help with that but i think the tool in the article opens the door for people creating slightly different versions of the same thing. also, claude is awful at visualizations. every one i see looks the same, crammed full of bad charts and too much text, poor color choices, and no real value in terms of story. still, this is an interesting implementation of that concept.

  • armcat9 minutes ago
    We replaced Looker with Hex [1], which was 7x cheaper (for our use case). But soon afterwards we built our own in-house data agent platform "Reef", which has now effectively changed how the entire company operates, from sales and customer success, to defining commercial and operational strategy. One of my engineers Samuel has done a small writeup about it [2]. Essentially, if you take care of your ETL and make data modelling a first class citizen, you can build your own BI (or even better - agentic BI) relatively easily.

    [1] https://hex.tech/

    [2] https://www.samuelsvensson.com/blog/reef

  • chopete3an hour ago
    We were paying $40K/year for both salesforce and salesloft. Both got built into a simple app for the sales and SDR team. The new app is way clean and faster than Salesforce. We even hired a consulting agency to setup/manage Salesforce and its reports. That consulting agency is also gone.
  • alexkbuilds3 hours ago
    I built something similar in my previous job. The part that we were never able to figure out is how to guarantee that everybody is looking at the right numbers. Even if you have a comprehensive semantic layer, there are still a lot of things that can go wrong in putting metrics on a dashboard. This is why analysts are still needed, IMHO.
    • james_marks2 hours ago
      Exactly this. My joke tagline for BI is "Lie to your colleagues with confidence and ease".

      It doesn't have to be intentional, it just needs to be a sufficiently complex, messy real-world data.

    • flowlike2 hours ago
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  • ktzar13 minutes ago
    Hundreds of dashboards that get outdated and stop feeding data correctly without anyone noticing... What can go wrong?

    I agree with the idea that Looker is a low hanging fruit to replace a well maintained dashboard with a collection of one-use single case dashboards with the metrics AI decides is a bad decision, I think.

  • nitwit00538 minutes ago
    It seems like this is a relatively simpler case, where everyone sees the same content. Oftentimes, people want dashboards to query as the current user, some user group, or the people below the current user in the org chart. That means that you need to run queries dynamically, and generate the chart at runtime, rather than just hosting HTML.
  • eleanorpdan hour ago
    For some use cases, and when everyone has access to all the systems, and data volumes allow reasonable perf, I could see this working well.

    For things like customer-facing analytics, there needs to be a deployment layer for AI-native artifacts that supports ongoing operations & maintenance. If you want a conversational data agent to answer questions and reduce custom analytics requests, that's more to manage and maintain.

    If you watched the Claude Dashboards announcement, they said legacy bi will be the deployment layer for AI artifacts. I don't buy it. Legacy BI was terrible at deployment in the first place.

    We've built a performant, browser-native alternative to deploy and scale AI artifacts at Ridge AI (ridgedata.ai).

    Fascinating to watch all of this evolve in real time.

  • ekreloff3 hours ago
    It would be been a more thorough analysis if they had accounted for the engineering teams’ salaries in time devoted to recreating this tool and maintaining it, rather than just tokens.

    In the end, it would likely work out to more like 50% cost savings. Still good, but certainly more expensive than this article ultimately claims

    • alexkbuilds3 hours ago
      You should also factor in that you have way more flexibility in the dashboards you create and everybody can build them easily, just by describing what they need.
  • unusualmonkey2 hours ago
    We just exited looker by having codex migrate the dashboards to html.

    Now it's just a git repo.

  • fidrelityan hour ago
    It reads to me like their first version (sharing the output html) essentially skipped their permission layer. That seems like a dangerous decision if someone can share the sales data analysis openly with users not allowed to see such data?
  • deepsquirrelnetan hour ago
    For a related use case, I have been using claude to add or change features in my own tensorboard log reader. The flexibility of being able to change anything at any time so I can see what I want to see is really nice.

    I've always preferred local monitoring tools, but tensorboard is seemingly just on life support at this point.

    https://github.com/dleemiller/BlernsBoard

  • pqban hour ago
    I believe few minutes ago I read about the death threat to the BI tools on HN [0] and this is exactly an example of it.

    [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50200997

  • jamukakar2 hours ago
    Building is easy, supporting and sustaining is harder especially in light of things like all the CVEs. My startup valet.dev is a platform for skills, websites, apps, and agents that is solving for this by baking governance and sustainability into the system. All engineering teams need this, but as we see the rise of citizen developers bring productivity gains to their companies the need for collaboration, security, and sustainability builtin to the environment they work in is even more important than ever.
  • ransom153810 minutes ago
    IF you are using Looker in 2026 look at ai/grok/fable/etc.
  • vessenes3 hours ago
    Enterprise friends: what is snowflake and why did it have fine grained permissions for a whole company? I didn’t understand it from the snowflake website.
    • alexkbuilds3 hours ago
      Snowflake is a Data Warehouse that is hosted in the cloud. The permission policies that you can define can become very complex - actually I find it's too complicated, I prefer BigQuery from GCP because of this reason.
    • littlexsparkee17 minutes ago
      ex: you don't want all users to be able to access finance's tables, else you might have folks trading stock on information they're not supposed to be privy to.
  • dvdhsuan hour ago
    I work at Retool, and probably the majority of our business today is "replacing SaaS with citizen-developed apps". I think that a lot of these CRUD-y SaaS products (which is, really, what BI is) will disappear over the next few years. The bottlenecks I see:

    * Data quality — we've seen Databricks / Snowflake schemas with 10^5 tables. Just putting a LLM on that doesn't work - you do need some sort of semantic layer. This is especially bad since LLMs are like slop cannons — if you ask it to prove X with the data, it will build you an app / visualization that proves X.

    * Deduplication — it turns out many people want moderately different views of the same data. How can you host everything centrally and DRY everything out such that you can guarantee correctness?

    * Writing data back — this is where it gets really hairy. Dashboards that only read data from Databricks is dangerous insofar that data can leak. But once you start needing to write data back, you need access to APIs / MCPs... and then you want some sort of authorization layer (since many SaaS apps don't have great authorization within themselves).

    Obviously we work on quite a bit of this at Retool, but we are always looking for ideas on how to make this better. We believe that many things should be in a platform (e.g. centralized data connectivity, authentication, authorization, etc.) setup by engineering, and then non-developers can go crazy generating safe apps.

  • Glyptodon3 hours ago
    BI tools have always been borderline easy to replace IMO. So long as you have a decent data layer.
  • cachius3 hours ago
    What is Looker?
    • ZiiS3 hours ago
      Multi billion 'Business intelligence' tool now from Google; more or less a fancy charting library with some access controls.
      • teaearlgraycold2 hours ago
        Damn sounds like easy money.
        • aaronbrethorst2 hours ago
          If 12 month enterprise sales cycles sounds like easy money then sure.
          • james_marks2 hours ago
            Don't forget 18 months trailing Soc II, Type 2. And that the time to execute on this idea was 15 years ago, back when this was relatively difficult to build.
    • Stitch42233 hours ago
      https://lmgtfy.com/?q=looker

      “Looker is Google Cloud agentic business intelligence and embedded analytics platform.”

      Something of the past according to the author.

      • pqb36 minutes ago
        Looker has already started pivoting into the agentic BI platform but it is still not great.
  • fifilura2 hours ago
    Were the dashboard used for insights or for making the managers feel good?
  • iamacyborg3 hours ago
    At least replace it with dbt charts rather than a whole new vibe coded mess.
    • tqi2 hours ago
      lol aren't dbt charts are like a month old? I assume this all happened before all that was open sourced
  • miradu3 hours ago
    if you want to operate this 'bucket of HTML files' over time, my startup https://valet.dev gives you the tools to host, govern, enforce policies, and secure what vibe coders create at your company.

    The world of who can create software is growing (hello citizen developers!) but the challenges of operating and maintaining software is just as hard.

    • bemeeker3 hours ago
      This is very similar to the open-source platform I’ve been building called Pando (https://github.com/trypando/pando)

      Validating to see others trying to solve this problem too!

      • james_marks2 hours ago
        Pando looks nice, thanks for sharing. Is this an overlay on e.g, AWS, or is the idea that this spins up a single container and creates partitions for each of the user apps its hosting?
        • bemeeker2 hours ago
          It’s more of an orchestrator. Destinations are controlled through runtime “adapters” which essentially tell Pando where and how to put apps. Instead of partitioning a container, it creates an isolated network and deploys the different workloads of your app as containers (database, web, api, etc.)

          Since it’s modular, the goal is to be able to use AWS, GCP, kubernetes, etc. as the destination for apps, if you are already using that.(not all of them are built yet). By default it uses Docker.

  • physhster3 hours ago
    ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED

    I guess I'm not reading this...

  • dominotwan hour ago
    Billionaires out there are gaining billions everyday meanwhile i see common folk nickle and diming each other.

    " look how i vibecoded this app and save $1.99"

  • doctorpangloss3 hours ago
    > We already run everything on Kubernetes, so deploying a service was mostly a matter of adding a Terraform module and a Helm chart.

    Haha "we run everything on kubernetes, so deployment is a matter of using the least logical complement to it, and the lowest budget, flakiest and overbuilt alternative to plan manifests with none of the benefits of an operator"

  • superchicken0993 hours ago
    WOW
  • Vaushite3 hours ago
    AI wrote this
    • formerly_proven3 minutes ago
      The introduction seems human written, but the slightly technical bits after that are clearly AI written, which makes sense, since the system that's being described was written by AI as well.
    • extr3 hours ago
      Honestly do not care that the words are vaguely AI tinted. The semantic content is not AI, it's not slop.

      Put it this way: would you rather this article didn't exist, or had less detail? Because that's the alternative in many cases.

      • ayhanfuat3 hours ago
        It is a pretty good article. If AI wrote it then good for AI.
      • gaiagraphia3 hours ago
        If it was so good, why do you have nothing to say about the content?
    • adwn3 hours ago
      Criticize the content, not the means of creation.
      • Vaushite37 minutes ago
        Attack the substance of the criticism, not the form.