But the counter argument should be that they're not just a tool (they aren't), you miss the mark by trying to argue that they're not a tool at all.
They clearly can be considered a tool when used in certain ways.
I think the framing provided in this creative writing is quite disagreeable. But I can understand why it feels that way. The important thing is to comprehend that it's not actually that way. The Internet is just a series of tubes... even though sometimes I refer to the Internet as an entity that can do some really funny stuff...
This one rests on the definition of "herramienta". I don't have nearly good enough Spanish to understand if there are additional subtleties relating to how that word is used in that language.
(That said, it's pretty great that we can have a link to a Spanish thread from an English language forum and the language barrier is almost invisible.)
My grandfather had horses. They are not a tool, per se, for the same reasons. But they sure were useful for certain jobs, at least until the widespread adoption of ATVs and such. AFAICT, they liked having a horse for the experience of riding the pasture w/ a horse vs an ATV.
I don't see such a distinction. I think domesticating things is a human inclination.
What's funny this time is that we might find the situation reversed, but I digress.
AI is a tool for sure.
A corporation is basically human tools organized in hierarchical layers, each layer is human tools for the layer above to carry some tasks.
Neither do LLMs, which are "billions of dice" -word-guessers, still to this day.
However, it's good to keep perspective here. We don't know enough about what consciousness or reason (inside our own brains) really are to make claims that LLMs do those things.
For the sake of conversation, please elaborate
One could argue that this is just more layers of LLM, but at the end of that argument is the observation that a 2-layer neural network with a nonlinear transform between the layers is a universal function; yes, but nobody does that because it's unrealistic to do so.
I mean what do you call it when a package adds new functionality in v1.1 vs 1.0?
Improving itself is hard to see. I don’t as a developer using opus 5.5 see it improving itself. It’s great, and I expect the next opus to be better, but while I have this version it seems pretty much the same.
One could, perhaps, make the case that the inherent randomness in the LLM algorithm makes it a fundamentally different thing than an expert system.
... but we've had Monte Carlo analysis as a tool for ages too.
I'm not sure we promote the thing to "not a tool" by gluing a Monte Carlo algorithm onto an expert system.
To take a big step back from the LLM question and look at a similar space that perhaps sheds light on the question...
A lot of chip design these days involves a step where the desired circuit is described in a goals-and-constraints-oriented language and then fed to a layout algoirthm that is semi-deterministic and attempts to solve the optimization function based on specified goals (like fabrication cost, size, or power consumption).
The output of this process is a chip you can fab. The process is random (it's an important industry-standard step to capture the input seed, because if the chip ends up in something audited and the auditing firm needs to know how the chip was made, it's not good enough to shrug and say "Enh, we rolled some dice," they need the layout schema deterministically reproducible too).
I don't, generally, think anyone considers the fact we use these in the hardware space to be anything but using yet another tool. It's a tool that searches a solutions domain much faster than a human could doing something not too dissimilar from what a human would do (with perhaps a little human intuition thrown on the top to avoid obviously-pessimistic branches of exploration, but you can bake those shortcuts into the tool also).
As measured, how?
Aside from your groundbreaking research that we're learning about for the first time, the science has held that we have no idea what is and isn't conscious, or if consciousness is even a thing. Humans tend to like to think they are, but it is philosophically accepted that it could be an illusion. So it is astounding that you aren't gushing with details. Maybe you don't understand the magnitude of your findings?
My original comment may have been a bit sarcastic, I admit, but this comment seems to serve no purpose other than to jab and try to dunk on me, so I won't engage.
No you wouldn't. Intellectual thought isn't swayed by meaningless human emotion. Let's be honest, you won't engage because you can't prepare a coherent response. We see this same diatribe in response to every other reply in this discussion. The pattern is clear.
> My original comment may have been a bit sarcastic
Yet you leave no affordances for that also being true of the earlier comment? A curious double standard. Confirms your true intention. What were you hoping to gain by trying to give us a thinly veiled lie? It's not like anyone cares about you posting something stupid on the internet. We don't even know who you are.
You started this with "sigh"
> My original comment may have been a bit sarcastic
Which in retrospect, the original comment was more dismissive than I intended.
That said, I stand by the replied being significantly more rude and aggressive than warranted.