23 pointsby samizdis6 hours ago6 comments
  • jansport123an hour ago
    the reason bay area is so powerful is the network of all the smart people there, capital is a part of it but i think the concentration of smart people is much more important so this notion of capital flight because of taxes doesn't really convince me much. Zuckerberg wants to be near meta AI researchers / engineers in the bay area not live in austin and i'm sure he'll pay taxes in order to do that (unless he finds loopholes).
  • BashiBazouk2 hours ago
    Is the opposition to the wealth tax about the money or the control of the company? If Zuck sells shares to pay the tax, what percentage does his controlling shares drop. I wonder if these special shares are specifically non voting rather than to save him money?
    • triceratops2 hours ago
      He wouldn't have to sell shares to pay the tax. He can easily borrow the money if he needs to.
    • s1artibartfastan hour ago
      The article is about this. 7th sentence.
      • BashiBazouk42 minutes ago
        Heh, skimmed a little too fast, but it's interesting that the progressive/Bernie Sanders crowd skip over the control issue when pushing the wealth tax. I think it was Sergey Brin that mentioned control as well when he moved to the Nevada side of Tahoe.
        • _DeadFred_34 minutes ago
          The solution to this is to not take your company 'Public'. Actions/choices have consequences/tradeoffs for most people.

          That these people thought they found a loophole around the consequences of public markets with their special voting shares is worthy of zero consideration.

  • GlibMonkeyDeath4 hours ago
    "Meta strikes deal with Zuckerberg to help him foot billionaire tax bill" is actual title. Zuckerberg is staying, and like all the billionaires he doesn't have that wealth sitting around in a big stack of $100 bills.
  • RaffaelKuhn6 hours ago
    California is the big loser here (as expected).
    • pluc5 hours ago
      > Under the deal, Zuckerberg will receive new shares that could be sold to potentially foot a multibillion-dollar tax bill in the event that California passes a one-off billionaire tax.

      Sounds like California gets what it wants either way? It's Meta that's getting used as Zuck's wallet.

      • sergdigon5 hours ago
        > This will allow Zuckerberg to sell some of this new class C shares to pay a potential tax bill, without diluting his control of the company.

        Yes while the article is a bit click-bait, "protect him from California wealth tax" sounds like he found some loop hole for not paying, it clearly says that it is about keeping control in the company and not avoiding to pay ...

        > California is the big loser here (as expected).

        Sad to see such a superficial and full of confirmation bias comment on HN. I am not taking position, I am not American and I don't think HN is the place for that anyway ... But please read the article before commenting

        • janderson2154 hours ago
          I’m not British, but The Guardian loves putting a certain spin of vilification on just about everything Right-coded.
      • s1artibartfastan hour ago
        he will be selling his stock to pay. literally nobody in this thread bothered to read the ` minute article
  • csense4 hours ago
    > Californians will vote early next month on Proposition 40, a one-off 5% tax on the roughly 250 billionaires who live in the state.

    If you have $1 billion and you're going to get taxed $50 million in California, why not spend $1 million to buy a house in some other state and move there on paper before the tax goes into effect?

    • tyleo4 hours ago
      I listened to an Ezra Klein podcast episode where he talked about this.

      I’m paraphrasing heavily but it went something like, “a friend complained that he had to live in Florida 50% of the year to avoid paying New York taxes and he hates Florida. I thought that the point of having all of that money was living the lifestyle you wanted. It seemed like the tax avoidance had become more important than personal happiness.”

      • expedition324 hours ago
        I never understood the hate for taxes. As if people like Zuckerberg could thrive in a warzone.
        • s1artibartfast3 hours ago
          Some people think they have payed plenty of taxes and dont think additional taxes will be put to good use
          • jasomill2 hours ago
            And while they certainly have a right to think this, doing so has no effect on their tax liability.
            • greyw2 hours ago
              People also have the right to move and that does affect tax liability
            • s1artibartfastan hour ago
              sure it does. People vote to approve taxes and elect their government.
        • tacitusarc3 hours ago
          I don’t hate taxes per se but I hate that the government will take tax dollars earmarked for one purpose, which is how they got the tax approved by the voters in the first place, and move it to the general fund where they can spend it on their pet project.
          • jasomill2 hours ago
            This is no different than any other broken campaign promise, and is indeed a largely unsolved problem in the US at least.
    • sobellian3 hours ago
      The tax applies retroactively to the 2026 tax year, even if you moved out sometime this year.
    • dparkan hour ago
      Indeed. Why not commit tax fraud?
    • breakyerself4 hours ago
      Because it's selfish and entitled?
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  • breakyerself4 hours ago
    This is some of the most embarrassing shit ever. Man with more money than God is too selfish to pay some taxes. Needs giant corporation to give him even more money to keep him from throwing a fit and moving away from where his job is that made him unimaginably rich. The entitlement of these billionaires is boundless. Take all their fucking money. They don't deserve it.
    • triceratops2 hours ago
      I'm actually fine with this? He owns a good chunk of that corporation so he's paying the tax either way. And other shareholders can decide whether it's worth it to them to help him pay the tax.
      • science4sail2 hours ago
        > And other shareholders can decide whether it's worth it to them to help him pay the tax.

        Not in Meta's case. Facebook voting rights are set up so that Zuck always controls a majority of the votes (even if he doesn't control a majority of the shares). Some stocks are more equal than others.

        • triceratops2 hours ago
          They can decide by selling their shares. This will hurt Zuck's net worth.