35 pointsby u1hcw9nx7 hours ago8 comments
  • eldgfipo6 hours ago
    Little thug who took power through brute force then thought he could bully the world like he bullied people all around him his whole life. Too bad the spot is already taken by the Don.
  • franczesko6 hours ago
    He get the Darwin award for restarting the current conflict in Yemen
  • MisterMunchkin6 hours ago
    This is the problem with having a king, all it takes is one moron and you destroy your country.

    Anyone could have told you his genius ideas like “turn a city into a thin line across desert/mountains” were the stupidest thing anyone had ever said. But you can’t tell him because he’s the king and he’ll kill you.

    • cjs_ac6 hours ago
      I worked on this project for a little under a year and it was fractally stupid. The top-level concepts are stupid, but so are the details. The whole thing has a cyberpunk aesthetic because that’s what MBS likes. The ski resort has a dam that’s made out of failure modes because that was the only way to combine that aesthetic with the requirement that the lake be able to host international rowing events. One day we had to work out how to freeze the lake over because MBS liked a render someone made of people ice skating on the lake. And so on.
      • csvm5 hours ago
        The stupidity of the whole project is fascinating. Do you have any other wild examples?
    • kleiba26 hours ago
      > This is the problem with having a king, all it takes is one moron and you destroy your country.

      Can happen in democracies just as much.

      • d3vnull6 hours ago
        Not "just as much".

        The more functional the democracy, the less "just as much".

      • mjd6 hours ago
        Yes, but a democracy isn't stuck with the moron until he dies.
      • hurfdurf5 hours ago
        That's what snap elections are for, except in the US.
        • AnimalMuppet4 hours ago
          That's what "limited government" and "three branches of government" is supposed to be for, in the US.

          And it's working... somewhat. Less well than I'd like, and less well than it did in Trump's first term, but he is at least somewhat restrained by the system.

          • tim3333 hours ago
            I'm hoping something kicks in after the midterms.
      • sigmarule6 hours ago
        Less so functional ones.
    • fakedang6 hours ago
      Perhaps he was trying to get line of sight into the desert by building the line...

      Fun fact, MBS is a big fan of Age of Empires 2 and plays it in the mornings. Also funny story, I once saw a match being played, around US night time, where one player built a line of houses into the enemy territory so that the opponent was forced to micro their soldiers manually. Think of that what you may.

    • chris_wot6 hours ago
      A king? My man, you can just get a President who does the same thing.
      • lukan6 hours ago
        But he would have been allmost king by now, if his wars would have succeeded. And obviously his wars did not succeeded because he did not get the support a king deserves!

        https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Trump_-_...

        • AnimalMuppet4 hours ago
          No, not if his wars had succeeded. If the courts had rolled over, or if Pence had on January 6.
          • lukan3 hours ago
            After Venezuela worked out - he was going for Iran, then Cuba, then Greenland, maybe Canada already. If succesful, I doubt there would have been many courts daring to attack him. Power is with those who succeed. He failed, fortunately.

            And I hate to use that overused analogy, but in WW2, after the initial success of Hitler with the Blitzkrieg, there was not much criticism of him anymore (unlike popular believe, he was not a absolute Dictator but under serious pressure at various points). That only started again after they began loosing.

    • pelagicAustral6 hours ago
      the king has no clothes and stuff, yeah...
    • gaiagraphia6 hours ago
      Insane how the plans dove straight into being so grand and expensive.

      The location itself is kinda decent for development. It could've been pretty feasible if the plan was to pump desalled water up the mountains and let it flow down like rivers through smaller developments, while pumping out water laterally for irrigation.

      Could've slowly greened their side of the Red Sea, hooked themselves up with a bridge to Sharm (and onwards to Cairo I believe with Egypt's HSR plans), built a few marinas, resorts, and stuff, and become quite a popular destination for a fraction of the cost.

      Didn't they have a whole plan for processing the brine into concrete for development, too?

      • tim3333 hours ago
        The plans were kind of nuts. There have been some successful developments in that part of the world, Dubai being the best known. El Gouna is also nice in a more modest way.
    • ponector6 hours ago
      Trump is not a king and is destroying the country. Charles is a king and is doing a great job.
      • padjo6 hours ago
        Yeah king is the wrong word really. Having an unaccountable autocrat is really the problem.
    • bigcat123456786 hours ago
      Yep, same for a president, who we all know started a 10× worse version of Yemen war.

      Someone called Putin started 100× worse war and enjoyed the close to unanimous support domestically.

      Someone committed genocide in Palestine who cannot not be voted down.

      I think I really don't see any better political systems.

      • grebc6 hours ago
        It takes work by the citizenry to keep the political class in check, regardless of the configuration. Kings don’t rule in isolation, nor do elected governments. In a lot of countries we’ve abdicated that responsibility, likewise the political class has abdicated its responsibility to its citizens.

        Read any government document from almost any department and the language for citizen has become customer. Language matters, I’m not a customer, but no one cares.

      • citrin_ru5 hours ago
        > enjoyed the close to unanimous support domestically

        That’s what Russian propaganda wants you to believe. And I see no reasons to trust it. Assessing public opinion in an autocracy is from hard to impossible - people afraid to tell what they think and they have good reasons for this.

        • tim3332 hours ago
          It's definitely not unanimous support in reality. Maybe majority support but I remember the meetings when Putin launched the thing and most people in attendance looking horrified but scared to say anything.
    • lifestyleguru6 hours ago
      > stupidest thing anyone had ever said. But you can’t tell him because he’s the king and he’ll kill you.

      "Let's exit one of the largest and most powerful economic and diplomatic unions"

      "Let's give away control over our country to real estate agents"

      There have been strong stupidest vibes all over in the recent years.

  • nacozarina6 hours ago
    “All that money and no idea what to do with it.”
    • kotaKat5 hours ago
      Keep laundering some of it via the PIF to mobile gaming companies?

      Keep getting inundated with Monopoly Go / Scopely ads because McDonald's is funneling money back up the chain for McDonalds Monopoly. It's that time of year again!

  • thendrill6 hours ago
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    • ZeroGravitas5 hours ago
      I wasn't sure what to expect but that YouTube link was delightful and has made my day, so thanks.
    • AnimalMuppet4 hours ago
      No, I'm not going to watch a video to figure out what your point is. Either state it, or don't, but stop vagueposting.
    • lotsofpulp4 hours ago
      >This whole thing culminated when MBS suddenly packed his family in that hotel about 15 years ago...

      Nov 2017, 9 years ago.

      >You guys have to understand that the people that put people like Trump in power are also the same ones that pull the strings in the middle east...

      The average racist/sexist American voter? No one “put” Trump in power except voters, he was the outside candidate that unexpectedly won.

      • thendrill2 hours ago
        Mhm ... The voters... What about the deep pockets ? :

        • Donald Trump's Top Individual Donors: Trump's primary financial backers include major multi-millionaire and billionaire donors such as Miriam Adelson ($148 million supporting pro-Trump and Republican efforts), Elon Musk ($260 million total political giving), Timothy Mellon ($172 million), and Richard and Elizabeth Uihlein ($143 million).

        • Trump Super PAC Support: Donald Trump's main outside support group, MAGA Inc., held over $304 million, with massive contributions from donors like the Schwarzman family ($5 million to MAGA Inc.) and Greg and Anna Brockman ($25 million to MAGA Inc.).

        • AIPAC and Pro-Israel Lobby Role: The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and its affiliated super PAC, the United Democracy Project, operate separately and raise tens of millions. Latest analysis uncovered >$230 MILLION in spending by pro-Israel interest groups benefiting President Donald Trump since 2020. Miriam Adelson's Preserve America PAC is by far the biggest spender, pouring $215 million+ into U.S. presidential elections to help Trump.

        • lotsofpulp2 hours ago
          He didn’t have any of that in 2016 before the primaries. He was considered a joke until then, except by Robert Mercer maybe. Then slowly after the primaries, the other backers came around, although it was still not evident he had a chance to win.
  • trukester6 hours ago
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    • Good4boothee2 hours ago
      The oil might "just" run out, either way it was obvious to everyone that natural resource-based wealth won't last forever, just like in that Sheikh Rashid quote from around 1988: "My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I ride a Mercedes, my son rides a Land Rover, and my grandson is going to ride a Land Rover…but my great-grandson is going to have to ride a camel again"
    • dumberquestions6 hours ago
      They would still have trillions invested across EU and US, if their relevance bothers you then you should direct your anger at the leaders and voters who made them as relevant.
      • mono4425 hours ago
        These investments can be easily taxed or regulated so they don't generate any real profit once the oil countries are irrelevant.
        • TFNA5 hours ago
          Those investments are paying for the generous welfare states that keep GCC countries populations pacified. End that and you could end up like Egypt or Syria, a population even more prone to radicalization and even streaming towards Europe in migration waves. That is not in anyone's interest.
          • mono4425 hours ago
            The immigrants were let in Europe because politicians wanted to let them in.
    • gvfsa6 hours ago
      Personally I feel exactly the same - these peoples simply do not have, on average, the intelligence required to deal with such amounts of wealth and power.
      • kaishin6 hours ago
        Humans in general don't have such an intelligence. Look no further than the US.
        • gvfsa5 hours ago
          Norway has done it.
          • kaishin5 hours ago
            Can you name a single individual who has much power as MBS in Norway? The system prevents that from happening and this has nothing to do with where you come from.
            • gvfsa5 hours ago
              The system was put in place by Norwegians, so yes, it has everything to do with that.

              Maybe the misunderstanding is about my first message - when I said “these peoples” I meant Arab countries, not this Salman whatever guy.

              • kaishin4 hours ago
                Except “those people” aren’t the ones doing all of this mess. It’s just those very few at the very top. It’s easy to blame entire nations when you don’t look at the historical context and the internal and external forces that came into play to enable someone like MBS to exist. Anyways, all I’m saying is there is more nuance than generalizing.
              • AnimalMuppet4 hours ago
                That sounds very much like racism.
                • gvfsa3 hours ago
                  Where exactly have I mentioned a race? There are lots of Arab countries, and there's a big diversity of races among them. What is the purpose of your comment, exactly?
                  • AnimalMuppetan hour ago
                    Where exactly have you mentioned a race? Nowhere explicitly. Racists often don't, though.

                    "These people" very often codes for racism. "Arab countries" (as opposed to "Muslim countries") usually means countries inhabited by Arabs - and especially in a post that is talking about Saudi Arabia!

                    Look, you may not be a racist. I hope you aren't. But a racist could have written the exact same post, and then used "not a race" as a motte-and-bailey defense of their veiled racism.

                    So, at a minimum, be aware that the way you are writing is giving off that vibe.

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  • trilogic6 hours ago
    I consider Paywalled an ad, flagged.