264 pointsby privong7 hours ago15 comments
  • k3106 hours ago
    I am not on board with the graphic, whatever the heck it is.

    https://www.openbsd.org/images/blowfishonbike-s.gif

    • rektlessness6 hours ago
      Forget the artwork and check out the accompanying song and lyrics for the new release. I think it's one of the funnier ones so far. https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#80
      • ChrisRRan hour ago
        Just as cringeworthy as the QT4 dance
      • rustyhancock2 hours ago
        Is it a pun?

        The Simps on AI

        The Simpson AI?

        And then the 3 eyes fish makes a reference to Blinky

        https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Two_Cars_in_Every_Garage_an...

      • Bankq5 hours ago
        “Back in my day we didn't have artificial intelligence, we had real stupidity - and we liked it.”
        • mehmetd463 hours ago
          Real stupidity is still available, you just have to opt in. Yesterday I spent an evening writing Game of Life in Prolog for no good reason, and it gave me 941 live cells instead of 18,885 because my neighbour rule counted diagonals twice. Finding that bug by hand was more fun than anything an agent did for me that day. The pointless tinkering didn't go away, we just have to choose it now.
    • somat5 hours ago
      I suspect it is social commentary on the dangers of letting the machine do all your thinking for you.
    • Guestmodinfo6 hours ago
      I really like OpenBSD. I have used it for years. I feel the folks there are very helpful and awesome but I also do not like that graphic.
      • somat5 hours ago
        You are not supposed to, it is intended to represent(and probably is) a machine generated image.

        I have not really formalized my thoughts on the matter, but it boils down to. It feels great to get the machine to generate a thing for you but it feels terrible to receive a thing from somebody that is machine generated.

        The worse part is the paranoia, Now I am seeing "tells" of machine generated content, and it may or may not be. But I have already lost interest.

        The real irony would be that it is a hand drawn image carefully animated to feel machine generated.

        • sroerick5 hours ago
          Credit is given to yvaneht nioj and clanker
          • TheAmazingRace2 hours ago
            Yeah. To me, I feel like Theo de Raadt is being a comedian here, and the joke probably went over some heads.
      • k3102 hours ago
        I mainly don't like the self-destructive aspect. Even if it's a spoof.

        Especially when I see all the self-destructive goings-on in the world, based on senselessly divisive beliefs or just the power-seeking that generates them to divide and conquer.

        I once met Ken Bering, "The Wheelchair Guy" whose foundation provided wheelchairs for people who could not afford them. The wheels weren't spiked, nor were they like a Seinfeld episode, where George donates a cheap wheelchair with poor brakes that sends its occupant down a steep hill.

        Oh well.

      • samtheprogram5 hours ago
        To be fair, I'm reading it as satire of AI. So not liking it is kind of the point.
      • jart4 hours ago
        They're just showing humility. Give them a break.
      • GalaxyNova5 hours ago
        that's the point
    • enriquto3 hours ago
      > I am not on board with the graphic, whatever the heck it is.

      They are purposefully iconoclast with whatever aesthetics are "socially acceptable" for mainstream nerds. For example, their use of comic-sans in official presentations. Here they use ridiculous slop in front of an audience of conservative unix hackers. You can find it funny with the right mindset.

      The upgrade mechanism from 7.9 to 8.0 is still gloriously simple, and exactly the same as it has been for many years :

          ssh myopenbsdbox    # log-in to your machine
          doas sysupgrade     # will log you out, go drink some coffee
          ssh myopenbsdbox    # log-in to the upgraded machine
      
          doas sysmerge       # (optional) solve merge conflicts of your cfg files
          doas pkg_add -u     # (optional) upgrade local packages
      • nanolith3 hours ago
        Don't forget: doas syspatch. They tend to find some minor issues rather quickly after release.

        Since I maintain my own custom patch set under OpenBSD, this is also usually when I need to vendor in the new release and update all of my patches.

        • gigatexal6 minutes ago
          Yup. I have heard the siren call. I’ll be putting it on an old fanless sbc router I have that is just sitting around since I upgraded.

          What window managers is everyone running? I’m thinking i3 or dwm

      • sidkshatriya2 hours ago
        > The upgrade mechanism from 7.9 to 8.0 is still gloriously simple, and exactly the same as it has been for many years

        The upgrade mechanism on a typical Linux distribution is _even more_ gloriously simple, and exactly the same as it has been for many years.

          # Fedora/RHEL
          $ sudo dnf upgrade -y
        
          # Debian/Ubuntu
          $ sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y
        
          # Arch Linux
          $ sudo pacman -Syu
        
        
        The false distinction between the OS packages and user local (/usr/local) packages during upgrade causes much unneeded complexity. FreeBSD is making this go away which is welcome.
        • enriquto2 hours ago

              # Debian/Ubuntu
              $ sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y
          
          But this is equivalent to syspatch && pkg_add -u , this does not upgrade the computer from one version of the OS to the next.
          • sidkshatriyaan hour ago
            For a rolling release like Arch Linux you just always use pacman -Syu.

            But yes you are correct, if you want to upgrade a Ubuntu distribution like 26.04 you do need to issue a command like `sudo apt dist-upgrade` which is admittedly an additional command. But then you could run 26.04 for many years. In OpenBSD anytime the base system/kernel is upgraded for a security fix or point release you need to do a slightly more complex dance.

        • Perz1valan hour ago
          I'm pretty sure it takes more to move debian 11 to debian 12 and Arch doesn't even have versions
        • IslandRebelan hour ago
          A typical Debian upgrade process is more involved than that.
    • exhilaration5 hours ago
      I would just like to say that the Simpsons Already Did It: https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Blinky
      • zote4 hours ago
        The theme this time is from The Simpsons, so yeah that is where they got it from. https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html
      • bentley4 hours ago
        Wow, that’s a weird coincidence.
        • GeorgeWBasic4 hours ago
          It's not a coincidence. The song is called "The Simps on AI". They're definitely referencing Blinky.
          • ChrisRRan hour ago
            Sometimes I'm genuinely surprised that people can't recognise such obvious sarcasm
          • messe4 hours ago
            The art is credited to yvaneht nioj, another simpsons reference.
    • vladde2 hours ago
      similar on the front page https://www.openbsd.org/index.html , "UNDSREA LREER"

      it seems very much like social commentary.

    • Cordiali4 hours ago
      It's a reference to your basic 'Baton Roue' meme.

      I assume it's meant to represent the perspective of pro-AI people, but it's ambiguous.

    • benrutter4 hours ago
      This is an amazing image, I am fully on board with whatever it is.

      Is the animation comically slow for anyone else?

      • Perz1valan hour ago
        that's the gif loading, it should be fast once it's done
    • st_goliath3 hours ago
      OpenLSD, bicycle day edition?
    • jamal-kumar4 hours ago
      Puffy's always looked kind of weird. I remember when they gave the damn fish human lips a few times and it always put me off
    • jeffrallen3 hours ago
      It's like a pelican on a bicycle, but with social commentary.
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    • weitzj3 hours ago
      I would guess it is the pelican on a bicycle reimagined ;)
      • Cthulhu_2 hours ago
        And a reference to a meme of someone sticking a pipe into their own bike and complaining about someone else.
    • j3th9n2 hours ago
      It is clearly AI generated and that’s the message.
    • Razengan2 hours ago
      It's literally in the name
    • imwally6 hours ago
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    • IncRnd4 hours ago
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    • colesantiago4 hours ago
      And so it begins.

      SlopenBSD.

      Disappointing OpenBSD is and all of software is descending into slop.

      Don't care if it is satire or not.

    • sippingabonedry4 hours ago
      Before they were anti-AI edgelords, they were anti-VM edgelords.

      Now they ship their own hypervisor in the base system.

      • QwenGlazer90004 hours ago
        It's not that they were anti VM, they just didn't think it was a proper security boundary.
        • tosti3 hours ago
          And they've been proven correct. Even the "secure" variety with hardware level encryption turned out to be vulnerable.
      • bentley4 hours ago
        I don’t think the theme is “anti‐AI.” I think what it’s trying to express is something along the lines of “take responsibility for your code,” where one’s code is the code one unleashes upon the world.

        But that’s just my interpretation.

  • elric12 minutes ago
    The release song is a banger, as always.

    https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#80

  • gucci-on-fleek4 hours ago
    Does the version number going from v7.X->v8.0 mean that this is a larger update than v7.8->v7.9, or does the numbering just automatically roll over to the next major version when it reaches vX.9?
    • synack4 hours ago
      No, the major number has no special significance to OpenBSD. 8.0 is just what comes after 7.9.
    • himata41134 hours ago
      as linus torvalds puts it: big numbers confuse me, so the next kernel version will be 7.0
      • tosti3 hours ago
        He ran out of fingers and toes to count on. (Wait, what comes after 19.19, or 20.19, 20.20, then what?)
        • creshal2 hours ago
          By that point medicine will be sufficiently advanced that we can graft new fingers on him, obviously. That'll also make him more productive, given he's an emacs user.
      • Razengan2 hours ago
        Did they ever have a Linux 6.9?
        • yonatan80702 hours ago
          Yes, all the way up to 6.19 in fact!
  • robalni43 minutes ago
    I find it quite annoying that I have to have a monitor plugged in for the upgrade to work. Otherwise it reboots into the old version after downloading. Is this a common problem?
  • nanolith3 hours ago
    I've used OpenBSD as a laptop daily driver for nearly 20 years. It's small. It remains mostly consistent between updates. In fact, it's so stable that I barely notice changes when I upgrade until I go hunting for them.

    The Lenovo laptop I use as my travel laptop and console display is a 2012. It still runs OpenBSD just fine.

  • idatum4 hours ago
    I have a Lenovo laptop running OpenBSD 8.0.

    What I really appreciate about it is I started with OpenBSD 7.6. Using sysupgrade, I went through every release (and syspatch) and just now successfully upgraded to 8.0. It still works great!

    • prmoustache3 hours ago
      I like OpenBSD, but I don't think this is a specific reason to appreciate it as any decent OS these days has been upgradeable release upon release safely for more than 2 decades, regardless if it is a linux distro, an Open/Net/FreeBSD system, a macOS or Windows system.
    • asimovDev2 hours ago
      I agree that it's great but as an anecdote, I have an arch linux laptop i upgrade 1-2 times a year and it still works too, been that way since 2019 so went through major kernel upgrades without a hitch. Only thing that ever broke were nvidia drivers sometimes because it's an shudders OPTIMUS laptop. Last time I updated it, vibe coding wasn't widespread yet so I am wondering if new package versions will finally kill it if I were to upgrade it now
    • kombinean hour ago
      Well, I've used Fedora since 2024 on my laptop and it went through four or five major upgrades, never had an issue.
    • somat3 hours ago
      I have an old(mutters to self don't look at date then I will feel old... Oh god it's from 2012) lenovo laptop that is my daily driver for portable ops. I run openbsd on it and... well it's perfect. sleeps perfectly, radio works well, I understand the OS. I will be very sad when it dies.

      I did just re do the heatsink compound, so hopefully it has many years left, but I worry about the fan.

    • stackghostan hour ago
      >What I really appreciate about it is I started with OpenBSD 7.6. Using sysupgrade, I went through every release (and syspatch) and just now successfully upgraded to 8.0. It still works great!

      This is table stakes. Debian has had this since, IIRC, 1999.

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  • zdw5 hours ago
    In recent past releases there was a noticeable improvement to SMP related networking bits.

    Does anyone have benchmarks between 8.0 and previous releases in that department?

    • ksec3 hours ago
      Phoronix do test BSDs from time to time. But for different reasons I think OpenBSd missed twice. I hope to see the performance gap being close enough we can stop thinking it is very slow.
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  • hollowoneplan hour ago
    Good job and much clearer release notes than the ones I was reading about recent Linux release by the way.. much more informative and better organised to understand the impact in practical terms. #BSD_hellyeah
  • rootnod340 minutes ago
    MP support for VMM/VMD is huuuuge.
  • MycroftJones4 hours ago
    When I read the Changelog I had to check if it was April Fools day. Is this a real OpenBSD release? Feels early. Also, many of those changes don't sound like real OpenBSD changes.
    • kstrauser4 hours ago
      They come out approximately every May and October, and have for quite a while: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBSD#Releases
      • MycroftJones3 hours ago
        Thank you. Was just wondering because the items in the Changelog look.... LLMish. Not something I'd have expected from OpenBSD. On the other hand, it looks like they've done a bunch of improvements I'd have assumed they'd done years ago. I wouldn't blame them.
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  • kstrauser4 hours ago
    Anyone managed to get this running on a 2018 (Intel) Mac Mini? I tried 7.8 or 7.9, I forget which, not long ago and was flummoxed.
    • jon1284 hours ago
      Have you tried

        http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/using.html
      
      ?
  • diskinsight5 hours ago
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  • jan_m_savage4 hours ago
    like a virus, slop will infect the techsphere, and it will become a real pain in the bollocks to siftt thru the mountains of semi-slop just to get to the real, reliable and human-made stuff.
    • Razengan2 hours ago
      > Reliable human-made stuff

      My guy.......

      • jan_m_savage21 minutes ago
        Humans make predictable mistakes, AI makes unpredictable mistakes. Hallucination occurs where you least expected for ANY reason. Can you say the same about humans? Unless the human in question is mentally ill.

        The loudmouths who think I'm wrong are simply not sophisticated enough to realize how LLMs actually work. It's just pattern-matching and heuristics-based at that. The day AI produces a painting like a famous human painter, I'd be impressed. Until then, it's meh.

    • reliablehuman3 hours ago
      Reliable human stuff? Holy shit, I want whatever you are smoking.