3 pointsby martinald2 hours ago2 comments
  • aurareturn2 hours ago
    Good post.

      But another risk is that if there are huge efficiency breakthroughs, either through hardware or software/model improvements. This is what killed the telecoms boom in the early 2000s - it wasn't so much that bandwidth growth stopped, but the efficiency of fibre optics far outpaced the demands.
    
    I'll add that I think this scenario is unlikely. I think we've see that with more compute, we have more capable AI models. The more AI chips you have, the more training you can do, the smarter the AI, the more thinking tokens you can have per task, the faster the tokens/s, the more simulations you can run with CPUs to get the right answer, the bigger the model, etc.

    This wasn't nearly as true with internet bandwidth during the dotcom.

    I think how the boom can end is that models hit a wall in intelligence/compute but it seems like model capabilities are increasing faster and now slowing down - particularly self improvement is on the horizon.

    I think the most likely way end it ends is politics and war. At some point, maybe China will stop all rare earth exports if their models are falling behind too far. All tech products depend on China's rare earth. The other is war. Sometimes the best way to stop your neighbor's progress is to just blow up their data center.

    • verdverm2 hours ago
      China is not falling further behind, rather is getting closer, and I expect them to eventually take the lead. MiMo recently RL'd for $3.5M, efficiency gains are significant, partly the effect of chip bans.

      We aren't going to war with China over data centers and Ai. A new cold war is the best outcome compared to a hot war. Americans are not in the mood for more war.

      • aurareturnan hour ago
        I think it's still too early to say China is falling behind or getting closer. We're about to enter the self improvement era and anti-distillation seems to be getting better from OpenAI and Anthropic.

        I think the most likely scenario is that China limits materials needed to make chips/tech to slow down US.

        Or China simply starts blockading Taiwan - especially if they can't get internal EUV machines working.

        • verdverm24 minutes ago
          > I think it's still too early ...

          The data shows a clear trend, China is also doing the self improvement. From what we can tell, they are making the greater efficiency gains out of necessity (lack of easy access to the best hardware). Distillation is less important and models like Kimi K3 are right there, open and free to use, as an alternative to the closed models. I expect open weights to bypass closed models and never look back.

          > the most likely scenario is that China limits materials

          Our economies are too intertwined, a trade war will wreck both countries and the people will be furious

          > simply starts blockading Taiwan

          There is nothing simple about a blockade, the US is learning this in Hormuz

  • verdverm2 hours ago
    I find all of these scenarios dubius or the outcome unlikely is some way.

    Group 1 is manageable

    Group 2 is Jevon's paradox and what I expect, but capital will still be running it all, they have the chips

    • aurareturn2 hours ago
      I think that was the conclusion of the author as well.

      I personally think it's politics and war.

      • verdverm2 hours ago
        Ai is here to stay, grow, and permeate.