159 pointsby theykk2 hours ago17 comments
  • pmxi2 hours ago
    Hilarious sentence: "DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash-1017 is a minor update to DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash, delivering substantial improvements across reasoning, coding, agentic tasks, and visual benchmarks." (emphasis mine)
    • freakynit2 hours ago
      Kinda shows their team is more engineers than marketers.
    • cardboard9926an hour ago
      Hoping it's minor relative to what's coming
    • jayneticsan hour ago
      It's not really contradictory, minor changes can have major effects.
      • mdp2021an hour ago
        So they meant a "small" update - "conservative", "inexpensive"...
    • vrganj35 minutes ago
      It's about playing to two different audiences.

      The CCP requires extensive certification for new major releases, to make sure a model doesn't do anything they don't want it to.

      To get around this, Chinese labs only bump versions when they have to and usually claim it's a minor update.

      Then on the other side, they're obviously trying to market to the tech crowd...

    • ReptileManan hour ago
      That is how exponential functions work. Improve every aspect of a system with 1% and you may get easily 50% more performance.
    • surgical_fire28 minutes ago
      It's a bit refreshing to read updates from an AI lab without bullshit doomerism and overwhelming sense of self-importance from shit like OpenAI and Claude.

      Also, DS is an excellent model.

  • ytxman hour ago
    It passed my threshold for not caring to try new models back with DS4, I use it for literally everything. Announcements of new models in the series always feel curious, because it doesn't really feel like there's much left to fix that would improve on what's already there for any task I know of.

    It's a bit like obsessing over patch releases of some software after a major upgrade already solved the original problem long ago.

    • xiphias2an hour ago
      I have quite the opposite experience: I can do any concrete coding change with any model, but the intelligence limit just doesn't go through more complex debugging examples.

      And then when I try a smart model, like Astra medium and it solves it (I had a firmware bug in my new laptop where I couldn't charge through USB-C) on the first try (altough with a repo already having lots of information about the hardware/firmware/debugging programs/traces), I realize how much time I'm losing on the few examples that the less intelligent models are just not able to debug and solve.

      • KronisLV44 minutes ago
        Also they can work in completely new domains, like Astra and Opus 5.5 starting to be able to use something like Blender. Currently they still often do horrible topology and basic UV mistakes, and the animations are really bad, but who knows where they’ll be in 5 years.
    • pimeys44 minutes ago
      Speed and price. You should try the 4.1 Flash on one of the fast providers. It's pretty crazy how fast this model works, and it's great for iterative software development because you can steer it fast to where you want to go.

      https://www.lithosai.com/

      https://www.coralbricks.ai/

      • swiftcoder36 minutes ago
        How are these high-speed providers close to matching the API rates from deepseek?
        • pimeys33 minutes ago
          Seems that V4.1 Flash is quite cheap to serve. Especially how it implements the cache, meaning the cache pricing can be very low depending on how you implement it in your inference engine.

          Depends on your use case. But if you do software development with a harness such as oh-my-pi, your cache rates are probably somewhere above 98%. Coralbricks has free cache reads, meaning it's much cheaper than the Deepseek API rates.

          Lithosai is more expensive especially in the ultra tier. It's if you want extremely snappy and fast responses, which is important e.g. for a personal assistant where every second counts.

          If you generate a lot of output, you're better off with the Deepseek API rates.

      • andrepd26 minutes ago
        Where does one even get decent ZDR provider? I'm wary of sending sensitive data but not at a scale where I would build my own machine.
    • mdp2021an hour ago
      > improve on what's already there for any task I know of

      What about "good governance"?

      Does it have zero hallucinations? Does it reflect thoroughly on every single idea it uses, verifying its solidity?

    • mmoustafaan hour ago
      definitely could use less thinking time and lower token usage, which is what this bump is focused on
  • jononor2 hours ago
    Above GLM 5.3, nice! That is a very capable model. I do wish that we will see some smaller "flash" models again though - running this one locally is tough (very costly).
    • minraws5 minutes ago
      By next year we will likely see GLM 5.3 level performance in Qwen 4 MoE models that can run on most higher end consumer systems.

      I don't think there is a reason to care about any of it, just get a few dollars on a few openrouter or similar platforms and just use the models for now, wait for cheaper models that are good enough for you to become available for your hardware.

      Sure you might never see frontier performance on consumer hardware but do you really need that though? Does anyone? And if you ever do just get a 30-day sub for that work, and cancel it.

    • LaurensBERan hour ago
      For comparison, close to Opus 5. Far behind Sol 6.1 and Opus 5.5.

      Probably a pretty decent model for 90% of the usecases!

      I've been doing a lot of hobby work with GLM 5.3 Flash and I can count the amount of times that I need a stronger model on two hands.

      I have access to unlimited tokens at works and Opus is great but also often overkill if you know exactly what you need.

      • egeozcanan hour ago
        I use Opus for planning, through API on medium thinking, it doesn't cost anything significant and the rest can be happily done with deepseek or glm flash. Using sol 6.1 for review loops at the end. All running on pi.

        A very complex task tends to cost like 10$ max. It's comparable to a subscription with enormous flexibility.

        It's a steal.

    • Pragmataan hour ago
      Cant you run it on a pair of DGX spark? Sure it's expensive now, but at the initial retail price that was what, 8k in hardware? Not exactly unachievable
      • bashtonian hour ago
        No, this is not a small model. I believe 4x Sparks is possible but 4.1 is pretty big for a flash model.

        MiMo 2.6 Flash is the most capable model you can currently run on 2x Sparks without resorting to a quantised version of something.

        • Pragmataan hour ago
          I meant quantized. You can get an EXL3 quantized version thats almost the same performance.
  • vintermann10 minutes ago
    I'd never heard of the BabyVision benchmark they do so well on. Pretty interesting stuff:

    https://arxiv.org/abs/2601.06521

  • waximabbaxan hour ago
    Looks very impressive especially considering the price and speed. Let's wait for AA to confirm how well their benchmarks hold up.
    • frail_figurean hour ago
      Why not just try it yourself?
      • viraptoran hour ago
        It costs money to run serious tests. We're way past the time when you could get an idea of the new model in a couple of tricky prompts. Now I need to compare a whole resulting project to get a clear view. If someone else proves the benchmarks don't hold up in reality, then it saves us further tests.
  • gmbhgmbhan hour ago
    Thank you deepseek, we are eating good today.
  • rispherean hour ago
    It's better than GLM 5.3 and Kimi K3 and way cheaper.
    • slopinthebag44 minutes ago
      that's honestly insane. it's like the go-to for when you don't want to use opus 5.5/sol 6.1
      • ngl99923 minutes ago
        The go-to is a local model.
  • nik736an hour ago
    Those are crazy numbers for a Flash model. Hopefully they can scale what they are doing to 4.1 Pro.
  • handfuloflightan hour ago
    Is it coming to OpenCode et al?
    • kzrdude34 minutes ago
      Presumably. The current opencode slug for the model is just 'deepseek-flash' suggesting they will just update that one going forward, not keeping versions in parallel.
    • opengearsan hour ago
      and do we know which version runs on opencode at the moment (on the free and on the paid version), is there a way to find out?
      • swiftcoder21 minutes ago
        The only way I'm aware of is to check their twitter feed. They moved to Deepseek v4.1 flash in September
      • SublimePeacean hour ago
        [dead]
  • npnan hour ago
    So this is the reason for the crash a few days ago.
    • dgellowan hour ago
      What crash?
      • npnan hour ago
        Deepseek servers went unavailable for 5 hours. They compensated that by rewarding the previous week usage as credit though. Pretty nice.
      • bradoran hour ago
        Ai/tech stock crash
  • throwfaraway135an hour ago
    Another big win for opensource AI.

    BTW who would have thought China would be the champion of freedom and opensource in the AI arena, while US is fighting for corporate/government control.

    • Dah00nan hour ago
      Well, at least mostly everyone outside the US.
    • ngl99926 minutes ago
      That's an image China wants the rest of the world to believe. Towards inside it still fits the typical stereotype.
    • ReptileMan42 minutes ago
      Anyone that has observed China since the 90s.

      There are different types of freedom and China's bet is that as long as they provide enough economic freedom the public will be ok with somewhat restricted social and political one.

      • InsideOutSanta10 minutes ago
        Yeah, I had a somewhat odd conversation with a Chinese acquaintance last year when she got to talking about how America sees China. Her point was that, "How am I not free? I can do whatever I want, go where I want, buy what I want. I can talk to you and say whatever I want; nobody is here listening to me."

        The fact that she can't call Xi "Winnie the Pooh" on Douyin wasn't something that occurred to her, or maybe that she was aware of at all. I didn't ask. I don't like to get into these discussions when I'm in China.

  • bashtoni2 hours ago
    "a minor update" they say before showing off benchmarks that display a substantial improvement.
  • floooofan hour ago
    they must've been using this since 2-3 days when it became free again in OpenCode, it's noticeable smarter, beats GLM
  • SublimePeacean hour ago
    [dead]
  • m00dy2 hours ago
    We're in a crisis
  • ngl99941 minutes ago
    Censored, no surprise
  • freakynit2 hours ago
    Those benchmarks can't possibly be real, right? Right? <insert padme 4-panel meme here>
    • logicchains2 hours ago
      At this rate the frontier labs will be Anthropic and DeepSeek, with OpenAI struggling to keep up.
      • A_D_E_P_Tan hour ago
        OpenAI's models -- and even Google's Argon -- have particular niches where they shine. For GPT-6/6.1, it's 3D modeling; Astra is hands-down the best at making .step files, Blender files, etc. For Argon, it's natural language writing and everything that hooks up to Google, e.g. search and maps-based itinerary planning.

        Anthropic and DeepSeek (+ GLM) are definitely solving coding, though!

        They're all quite different tools.

        • Kurtz7940 minutes ago
          Artificial Analysis recently released a dedicated 3D benchmark, where Astra lags behind both Opus and Sonnet 5.5 (and yes, open weight models seem to be quite far behind).

          https://artificialanalysis.ai/articles/aa-3d

          • A_D_E_P_T17 minutes ago
            Interesting!

            For me it's large files in Blender (in some cases >400MB), mostly, where Astra excels. I gave it a look, but I don't know if the benchmark encompasses that sort of thing.

            .step files are simpler pieces of straightforward code, so it makes sense that Opus and Sonnet 5.5 do very well...

          • swiftcoder17 minutes ago
            its unfortunate they didn't include deepseek in the initial batch of benchmarks
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      • freakynit2 hours ago
        I believe these are the last sets of super-high-end models available to public (open or closed).. these companies probably will now start to withhold top-of-the-line models for themselves, governments, and their super-high-paying partners only.
        • A_D_E_P_Tan hour ago
          That hasn't been the way to bet. DeepSeek and the other Chinese firms show no signs of slowing down, so if OAI and Anthropic halt releases and "pace the frontier" they'll just fall behind. (And there's a chance that high-end AI will become fully commoditized, which suits DeepSeek just fine.)

          Besides, Fable 5.5 is reportedly releasing within the next few days, probably on Tuesday...

        • stymaaran hour ago
          News from a near future:

          Here's How Distill APT Used McKinsey's Private Access To Top Anthropic Model To Help The Chinese Keep Up With The Us Top IA Labs Despite Access Restrictions

        • ReptileManan hour ago
          We have the weights, we have the papers, nothing preventing development on this foundation.
      • slopinthebagan hour ago
        idk, sol 6.1 is both cheap and capable. i've been using it exclusively, i don't need to care about usage, and it's really smart.

        yes maybe opus 5.5 is stronger and flash is cheaper, but 6.1 strikes a good balance imo.

        • ReptileManan hour ago
          i have a feeling that Sol is just Astra low, but with lowest possible priority on the compute.
          • WASDxan hour ago
            I believe it's Astra quantized. It was briefly named astra-lite.