Israeli settlers attack olive framers & Washington Post journalist in West Bank(www.theguardian.com)
76 pointsby 0x54MUR415 hours ago9 comments
  • collabs4 hours ago
    > In the town of Abu Falah, near Ramallah, at least 80 settlers, some of whom were carrying firearms or clubs, gathered to stop Palestinians from harvesting their olives, using slingshots to hurl rocks at the farmers in view of Israeli military vehicles. When some of the Palestinians then picked up rocks to defend themselves, the Israeli military fired teargas in their direction.

    This has become beyond ridiculous. I have personally gone from full support for Israel to now not even supporting Israel's right to exist. And I can't be the only one. I feel sorry for the (clearly increasingly rare) "normal" people of Israel but they will soon need to move out of Israel to not be bundled in with the crazies.

    • Haven8805 minutes ago
      In the world of jungle rules, might means right. Wherever has the bigger guns win. Period. Your voices means nothing. I learnt that decades ago. Sometime, just sway with the winds. Fortunes do change from decades to centuries. Superheroes dont exist. Justice? It is for the rich with bigger guns.
    • jaredklewis3 hours ago
      I get that this is a hot take, but where are the "normal" people of Israel going to move to exactly? Remind me which group of countries are offering to take in 10 million immigrants?
      • defrost3 hours ago
        That's the population of Israel, not the number of Israeli citizens opposed to the current government and the actions of the settlers.
        • jaredklewis2 hours ago
          Fair enough, so make it 4 or 5 million or whatever number seems reasonable, but I would still like to know which countries are going to accept these millions of people.
          • defrost2 hours ago
            You think fully half the population of Israel opposes the current government and the actions of the settlers?

            That seems ... unlikely.

            Call it a million, maybe, at most, that might want to move .. pragmatically a hundred thousand per year over the next decade.

            Currently

               304 million people—3.7 percent of the world's population—lived outside their country of birth in 2024, nearly double the 153.9 million in 1990, per UN Population Division data. 
  The United States hosted more than 52 million migrants in 2024
            ~ https://www.migrationpolicy.org/journal/feature/top-statisti...

            so the precedent is there to absorb another million across the globe, although realistically the US in its current state is unlikely to welcome "peaceniks" who'd be accused of supporting Hamas.

            • jaredklewis2 hours ago
              I was replying to a comment which stated that they didn't support "Israel's right to exist" and suggested that Israelis move. I interpreted the comment as saying "we can solve this problem by moving the Israelis out of Israel." But this is dumb. It's not like anyone can just go move to another country because they feel like it. You generally need a spouse, a job, or some other wedge to get into that country. And there are no countries volunteering to make a special exception and take in Israeli's, even at "only" a hundred thousand per year.

              Of course, they also might also not feel like it. I was born and raised in the US. I strongly oppose almost everything President Trump does. I don't see why that means I should have to move.

      • karmakurtisaani3 hours ago
        I suppose to the same place Palestinians are supposed to go..
        • jaredklewis3 hours ago
          Palestine? That's not moving; they are there now.
          • karmakurtisaani2 hours ago
            Are you aware this is a thread concerning Israeli settler violence? The settlers are not settling on empty land..
            • jaredklewis2 hours ago
              I am aware of that.

              I responding to a comment suggesting that Israelis (not settlers, but Israelis in general) should move to another place, but the comment did not specify where they should move to. Where is this place that the Israelis can go?

              • karmakurtisaanian hour ago
                And my response was highlighting the fact that Palestinians are being slowly displaced, with no alternative location to move to.
            • Gud2 hours ago
              Frankly, current Israel was not really built on top of empty land either.
    • za3faran3 hours ago
      > This has become beyond ridiculous

      It always was, but things are now coming to light because their war crimes are being broadcast live for everyone to see from first person point of view.

      Thank you for siding with the right side of history.

      • thefz3 hours ago
        > their war crimes are being broadcast live

        Always have been, it's all over media in Arab countries. It's just western media that is glossing over the genocide.

        • colinban hour ago
          the same Arab countries that ejected their long-established Jewish populations en-masse in 1948? I wonder where they thought those people were going to go. In 1948.
    • anal_reactor2 hours ago
      The whole purpose of Israel existing is to have a western-adjacent country wedged in the middle of Arab area, so that military missions can be carried out from/by Israel. As much as I hate how Israelis behave, Israel needs to exist until Arab countries become developed democracies - so far, not a single one fulfills this criterion.
  • oliwarneran hour ago
    What's also bad about all this is that journos were told to be here by the "settlers". Big international news didn't wake up that day and all decide to go to the same place, they were invited.

    The settlers know what they're doing and know how it looks internationally. While the IDF, government of Israel, and the Israelis who vote for it all vote for this, they consider themselves bulletproof. They're bragging as they ruin these Palestinians' lives.

    Just like Iran, this is extremism that has to be fixed internally at a very low level, but it also looks like they're just getting started. I'd make historical comparisons but I don't need to. As standalone events, these are bad enough to require action.

  • grey-area4 hours ago
    This is a pattern for Israel. Settlers attack, harass and kill Palestinians with impunity and have done for decades. It’s wrong.
  • bozdemir4 hours ago
    Flying cars, Super Duper Intelligence, AGI and yet we can't even stop these, we can't even have peace on earth, we can't avoid conflicts. What good these technological advances are if we can't prevent ourselves being violent apes?
  • quietbritishjim4 hours ago
    This is a terrible issue and completely unacceptable. But do I really need to read about it on Hacker News? This is not the place for that.
  • samyaran hour ago
    what about Palestinian settlers in Kurdish lands who occupy Kurdish olive farms? https://rudaw.net/english/categories/syria/775228

    What about Turkey burning Kurdish forests for years and not a post about it? why is the world so hypocrite https://www.asparagusmagazine.com/articles/the-turkish-milta...

    • karmakurtisaanian hour ago
      What about whataboutism? What about making a new thread for these unrelated topics?
  • thefz4 hours ago
    Clearly defending themselves from Hamas.
    • raincom4 hours ago
      Hamas doesn't rule the West Bank though.
      • thefz3 hours ago
        As I said, being sarcastic.

        The amount of apologism, denial and support for the horrors Israel is perpetrating, in this forum, is unreal.

        • karmakurtisaani2 hours ago
          A surprisingly large cohort of tech people are completely fine with fascism. I suppose it "technically" solves a lot of perceived problems in society, so it appeals to many people who severally lack in empathy or critical thinking.
        • Gibbon12 hours ago
          And then people like you support Palestinian groups and others like Hezbollah starting wars of choice against Israel. And invariably they lose those wars and it's the Palestinians that suffer the most. And then that is used as a justification to do it yet again.
    • pbiggar4 hours ago
      i think you're being sarcastic but for others reading this without context:

      - Israel has used "Hamas" as a get-out-of-jail-free card with people in the West - Hamas are not in the West Bank (which is physical separated from Gaza, where Hamas operated)

      • thefz4 hours ago
        Yes I was being sarcastic.
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