54 pointsby nsoonhui3 hours ago24 comments
  • akudha20 minutes ago
    Why do car manufacturers brag about hitting 60 mph in 1, 2 or whatever seconds? For a normal person, does this really matter - what is the big deal if a car hits 60 mph in 5 seconds instead of 1? There are more important things like safety, repairability, longevity etc right?
    • dghlsakjg9 minutes ago
      It’s standard measure of acceleration. If you are going to sell a car on performance (like say… a sporty roadster), it’s a great metric.

      People in the market for a car like this care far more about performance than they do safety, repairability or longevity.

      That’s why performance oriented cars talk about their acceleration, and minivans talk about safety, and pickup trucks talk about longevity. Their target market determines which of the various metrics are going to be the headline.

    • judge202012 minutes ago
      For the Roadster, it's a supercar. None of those things matter much.

      For something like the performance versions of their high-volume vehicles, it's partially for the same reasons people like sports cars, or at least how some people like a sports car that is faster / quicker and gives them more excitement while driving (obviously a lot of the appeal for sports cars otherwise is the sporty look/sound of the engine, which Tesla doesn't really deliver on at all).

    • zen_kernal15 minutes ago
      People are interested in speed performance. What other measure should we use?
      • gambiting7 minutes ago
        As someone who has had a Mercedes AMG that could do 0-60s in less than 4s for a few years, it just gets boring so fast, and it makes you question why you bought the thing in the first place. It's unusable in almost every situation on the road, except for the rare "opportunity" when you stop at traffic lights next to a Golf R and yes turns out you have a bigger.....turbo.....than them. Well done, that 5 second ego boost was really worth all the money and looking like a dick to anyone above the age of 25.

        Nowadays as a "petrol head" when I look at stats I want to see weight - as little of it as possible. Horsepower needs to begin with 2, maybe with 3 in some cars, any more than that and it's silly. I want reviewers to say the car puts a smile on their face driving it to work every day, not doing 160mph on the race track. And of course, high speed is "fun" - one of my favourite memories is driving at 158mph past Berlin at 4am - incredible. But the modern obsession with horsepower and 0-60 is...just stupid. Fast 0-60 time does not make for a fun or an engaging car. It just makes it fast.

        • dingaling2 minutes ago
          " It's unusable in almost every situation on the road"

          Yet it's a useful, comparable, measure for acceleration and is frequently exercised on track. If you had an AMG and haven't taken it for at least one track day then I question why you bought it. Image?

          Maybe 30-70 would be more useful for determining overtaking capability, but that would require everyone in the motoring industry to agree to change at the same time.

    • weird-eye-issue16 minutes ago
      It's just one stat and it makes for a good headline. Obviously those other things are important but they don't exactly fit into a headline. Oh and some people like fast cars. Why is that so confusing?
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    • m00014 minutes ago
      It matters a lot, when playing Top Trumps [1].

      [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Trumps

    • wat100008 minutes ago
      This is a sports car with a deposit that costs more than an ordinary new car, and with a price that would probably buy you a decent house. Nothing about this is meant for a normal person.
    • NordStreamYacht15 minutes ago
      The more powerful the motor, the better the brakes and safety features.

      I hope.

    • fg13712 minutes ago
      It's one thing they can brag about, you know. Dumbing everything down to a single number, regardless of whether it's meaningful, feels impressive.

      The vast majority of LLM users -- not the average person here on HN -- doesn't know which "model" they are using, can't tell the difference and don't care, including many software engineers. You could ask the same thing about those LLM benchmarks.

    • FrustratedMonky17 minutes ago
      Bruh. Chicks man. Chicks dig fast cars.
      • 4ggr012 minutes ago
        as with lots of muscles, it's actually the dudes who care about this the most :D get hugely muscular, buy a nice sports car and dudes will absolutely love you.
  • lgl42 minutes ago
    Tesla Roadster vaporware edition MK2: now with actual vapor!
  • romaaeternaan hour ago
    Amazing tech demo. I would have liked to see more discussion of the cold-gas thrusters in the earlier Hacker News article. Some people seemed confused and made claims that the demo was a separate "rocket" version that used a combustion technology.
    • judge20209 minutes ago
      Well it is a separate rocket version, it just doesn't take jet fuel. "Invite only" for the rocket version means probably less than 5 will ever be made, if that.
      • romaaeternaa minute ago
        I strongly suspect that the invite-only version is the tech that was described in the demo, and differs from the $250K version by the size of the air tank and compression motor.
    • sandworm10138 minutes ago
      Cold gas or not, these are still rocket motors.
      • TheOtherHobbes20 minutes ago
        It takes genius to take rocket motors and cover them in cringe.
      • romaaeterna10 minutes ago
        Without fuel or an oxidizer or combustion? Not really. It's compressed air, like an air rifle.
  • birdland11 minutes ago
    Looks like more hype nonsense to keep excitement going while continuing to delay actually delivering a real product.
    • jgalt2129 minutes ago
      I agree. I remember as a kid getting so excited for Detroit concept cars that never hit the market. Now, unless something is actually for sale, I basically ignore it.
  • ivanjermakov43 minutes ago
    Original roadster is one of the best looking car designs for my taste. This... subdivision modifier over the Cybertruck.
    • dralley6 minutes ago
      It's just a Lotus body, though I agree that Lotus cars are pretty
    • selectodude19 minutes ago
      Makes sense, it was a Lotus Elise.
    • raxxorraxor12 minutes ago
      With a weird horizontal loop cut.
  • andrewinardeer6 minutes ago
    Paid subscriptions everyere, I bet.
  • andyjohnson08 minutes ago
    Nobody needs that kind of acceleration on a car designed for use on public roads, and anyone who uses that capability in the vicinity of other people or vehicles deserves to be arrested. Its just criminally dangerous.

    Like the Cybertruck, this is just the Musk "fuck you, get out of my way" worldview realised as metal and plastic.

  • spiritplumber10 minutes ago
    one seat, designed by and for the most friendless man in the world.
  • onionyan hour ago
    All they were missing was the shark.
  • mittenscan hour ago
    is it me or does it just look ugly?, was expecting the original roadster looks...
    • kec19 minutes ago
      The original roadster was a Lotus Elise, all Tesla did was swap in an electric drivetrain.

      Tesla has never really shown they can design anything compelling that doesn’t look like a lumpy shoe.

      • judge20208 minutes ago
        I think OP means the one they revealed 8/9 years ago, which still had a less-boxy supercar look.
      • touwer16 minutes ago
        What??!? You don't like the design of the cybertruck?
    • causesothere28 minutes ago
      Tesla has been in the business of ugly cars for some time.
  • m00017 minutes ago
    With such a powerful suction system, I can see this replacing street-sweeping trucks in a few years.
    • raxxorraxor15 minutes ago
      I you sweep up an hedgehog, will it be thrown out through the exhaust?
      • m00013 minutes ago
        Or a banana. Mario Kart suddenly starts making sense.
  • low_tech_punk18 minutes ago
    EPA won't like the gas emission
  • darkspinean hour ago
  • FrustratedMonky15 minutes ago
    Was this real? I thought some wires were visible?
  • zen_kernal29 minutes ago
    Totally thought this was AI when I first saw this.
  • Arainach30 minutes ago
    > An invite-only "Rocket" variant is a single-seat model with a "full flight system."

    Tesla should be sued into oblivion over "full self driving", but after that, if you believe this nonsense and buy one that's on you.

    • throwaway8582511 minutes ago
      This is going to be the next oceangate and I fully support it.
    • nailer14 minutes ago
      Why? I’ve sat in a self driving Tesla, with the attendant’s body rotated towards me while we chatted in Florida. What specifically is wrong?
  • kakacik31 minutes ago
    I dont see actual landing part, even drone for some reason flew away, very convenient. Unless its super smooth (which it doesnt seem to be), one can expect progressive damage on these heavy cars.

    Marketing stunt is nice, I care more about consistent nazi behavior of the owner.

  • shilgapira16 minutes ago
    Really disappointing to see such low quality discussion here. Feasibility aside, we would not be seeing such reactions even 5 years ago. Polarization ruins everything.
    • BugsJustFindMe7 minutes ago
      > we would not be seeing such reactions even 5 years ago

      5 years of broken promises and actively fighting to make the world worse will do a lot to opinions.

    • wat100006 minutes ago
      Why blame this on “polarization” and not on the guy who did the polarizing? Nobody forced Elon to do all that stupid shit that got so many people hating on him. He did it if his own free will. He ruined it.
  • jansan38 minutes ago
    It is not a roadster. A roadster is defined as an open-air, two-seat convertible.

    This one is a hard-top super-coupe and I recommend calling it the "Cyberwedge"

  • tokarfan hour ago
    lame
  • sdcfgy44 minutes ago
    Tasteless crap.
  • pluc3 hours ago
    Awesome, another technology we want to implement before we have the infrastructure to support it.
    • harlequinetciean hour ago
      Exactly this... Which city will allow for a car they cannot chase with a patrol?

      It would have been much better if it was a skateboard, tbh.

      • raxxorraxor11 minutes ago
        Not from the US, but I don't see political pushback on rocket launchers for police cars.
  • shadowtree17 minutes ago
    Can we get the original Dropbox hater guy to comment here too?

    What has HN become - just endless anti-tech hate, downstream from idiotic TikTok politics.

    Is it the moderation system that amplifies this nonsense here?

    If those cold-air thrusters are getting commoditized, the real discussion here should be around what could be built around them. How to HACK them.

    Reddit exists for this other nonsense pile on.

    • throwaway8582512 minutes ago
      I'll bite. What do you see as applications of for commodity cold gas thrusters? Excluding rockets.
    • mvdwoord6 minutes ago
      More important to signal that they think Elon is a nazi, apparently.
    • sidibe4 minutes ago
      > just endless anti-tech hate, downstream from idiotic TikTok politics.

      The hate and politics obsession of the people you're complaining about on here pales in comparison to the guy doing this presentation. He is doing it 24/7 I'm not even sure he sleeps he is so engaged in it.

  • hawaiijoe22 minutes ago
    Greatest American company run by an African American ever.