Sergey Brin says Google's AI models are reaching recursive self-improvement(www.businessinsider.com)
23 pointsby ryan_j_naughton9 hours ago10 comments
  • kennywinker7 hours ago
    Does this not just mean they’re using LLMs to prep training data for the next LLM to be trained on? Because it sounds like that, reading between the lines of hype, i mean.
    • brazukadev34 minutes ago
      it is probably about coding its own harness and being able to assess it to improve.
    • lazide38 minutes ago
      it just feeds into the ouroboros issue, however, as it lacks reliable independent feedback.

      kind of like grading your own tests in school.

      if you’re really honest, hey maybe. and it’s certainly faster for the teacher!

  • avree7 hours ago
    Does Sergey still work in the day to day at Google? I thought he mostly stepped back after that affair he had with the product marketing woman for the Google Glass project.
    • solyin7 hours ago
      https://finance.yahoo.com/news/google-cofounder-sergey-brin-...

      He's back, and working 60 hour weeks, since 2023, according to this report.

      • kennywinker7 hours ago
        I simply cannot imagine being a centibillionaire and working 10 hours a week, much less 60.
        • pllbnk7 hours ago
          "Working" is a generous word for his position. The "work" involves flying with private jet to expensive places regular people have never stepped foot in for noncommittal meanings, showing up around the office at random times, have a word with random high-level managers in the office. All the while not having the slightest thought about someone evaluating your performance or output.
          • poulpy1232 hours ago
            I would do it for the money but it's not a life I would choose if I was already rich
          • gregglain5 hours ago
            Performance review 2025: yes

            Refresher: a few lambos annual raise, small town as a bonus, larger town in RSUs

          • cedws3 hours ago
            Also the part where you have three meals a day prepared for you, children’s needs taken care of, laundry washed ironed and folded, house cleaned. Working “hard” as a billionaire doesn’t mean shit.
  • treebeard9017 hours ago
    It's not guaranteed that a next token prediction machine is capable of recursive self improvement. Or will be able to create AGI in any form.
    • StevenWaterman7 hours ago
      That's why it's news
      • kennywinker7 hours ago
        It’s also not guaranteed that owners are reliable narrators, when speaking about how great their business is doing. In other breaking news, worlds best cup of coffee found in truckstop diner!
  • seanhunter7 hours ago
    Maybe they will recursively self-improve to the point where they are genuinely competitive with Anthropic and OpenAI, or where they “AI summaries” they add to search results aren’t total garbage most of the time.
  • vrganj6 hours ago
    Snake Oil vendor says his oil cures cancer.
  • chaostheory7 hours ago
    If Argon was impressive, I would maybe believe it. Right now, argon is not even close to Opus 5.5 or even 6.1 Sol. It can’t even infer intent as well as Gemini 3.1 Pro. Google has yet to release a frontier class model imo
    • smashers11147 hours ago
      I disagree somewhat. I think internally OpenAI, Anthropic and Google are probably all pretty close right now. Argon is competitive with Opus 5.5 and Astra. It might be third, but its competitive at least. Its becoming more apparent that different models are RL'd for different tasks.

      Astra (or broadly openAI) are best for mathematics, 3D modeling, and vision. Opus 5.5 is best at like visual design (or just in general adding more taste and feel)

      Now, it can depend on your definition of frontier class model. But Argon is a strong model. Google is not running a distant third. If OpenAI and Anthropic shut down they would have the strongest model on the market in like 2 months imo. Google does suck at shipping (maybe due to an unusual amount of dogfooding models internally?)

      And we know all the labs have stronger internal models than their public releases.

  • sicktriple8 hours ago
    guy who sells AI says AI is cool
  • leecommamichael8 hours ago
    ok
  • ares6239 hours ago
    Oh I'm surprised to learn that their engineers and scientists had 0% usage of their tools before!
  • pbiggar7 hours ago
    Reminder Sergey Brin was in the Epstein files.
    • ZeroGravitas6 hours ago
      And his wife was RFK's running mate and main funder when he ran for President on a platform of vaccines causing autism.