55 pointsby hn_acker4 hours ago2 comments
  • mainecoder3 hours ago
    Anyone commenting please watch the video first. Would a reasonable jury determine this to be Attempted Second-degree Murder? perhaps it is, any thoughts from a person with criminal law experience? We clearly see the car turning, going out of its way towards the person. Additionally, a pursuit on foot would have been possible the car qualifies as a deadly weapon in this case I think.
    • Terr_an hour ago
      > criminal law experience

      So IANAL, let alone a trial-lawyer, but I did spend weeks/days with 11 other people listening/deliberating after a cop-adjacent defendant non-fatally shot somebody.

      > Attempted Second-degree Murder?

      Hold up, what this means varies by state: Illinois law says that second-degree still requires an intent to kill [0], and I think the prosecution may have a hard time proving beyond reasonable doubt that the driver wanted to turn the victim into road-splatter.

      In contrast, the next step down of (attempted?) "Involuntary Manslaughter and Reckless Homicide" seems much easier to prove, and explicitly draws in quite a lot of vehicular aspects.

      [0] https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ILCS/details?MajorTopic=RIG...

    • ShowalkKama28 minutes ago
      >Would a reasonable jury determine this to be Attempted Second-degree Murder?

      would you?

      I would certainly consider him guilty, if not of exactly that crime.

    • lux-lux-luxan hour ago
      > Would a reasonable jury determine this to be Attempted Second-degree Murder?

      No, because it’s a law enforcement officer doing it.

      • mandeepj34 minutes ago
        > No, because it’s a law enforcement officer doing it.

        Possible! Many police officers have gone to jail for murdering people.

    • FireBeyond2 hours ago
      Not to mention the "re-positioning" of the victim's vehicle to shore up ICE's narrative.

      Don't worry though, just like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50090246 someone will be along to say "mistakes are inevitable, but we need to enforce immigration law, and this is an acceptable price, though not ideal".

  • hn_acker4 hours ago
    The original title is:

    > ICE’s Lies About A Man Officer Ran Over Undone By Footage Captured By Nearby CCTV Camera