64 pointsby speckx4 hours ago4 comments
  • 9999000009992 hours ago
    Once I was at a company which both had agreements to rehost certain content, and scrape the significant amount.

    A couple of funny things happened, once we were clearly being blocked and my manager wanted me to figure out a way to evade said blocking.

    And in another case we ended up getting scraped ourselves. Which was absolutely hilarious. I think we were able to resolve this by just contacting the website host.

    I am not a lawyer, but a lot of things in America are almost 100% dependent on how much money you want to spend suing or defending yourself in court.

    There are a lot of VC funded companies who more or less just scrape and resell data. If LinkedIn and few other places figure out how to actually block them , they'd be out if a business.

  • wand3r3 hours ago
    Honestly interesting article and general topic. As with most things it depends on who you are. If you are Spotify, Google, OpenAI or Anthropic, its fine. As mentioned, this is why gray areas and unsettled laws are so malicious. They protect the rich and powerful and can be used to absolutely destroy regular people. It is adjacent to scraping, but Aaron Schwartz is a good example. He faced decades in jail for what is effectively best practice for an LLM data pipeline
  • dadarahulshaikan hour ago
    If scraping is legal, so should distillation
    • eli22 minutes ago
      I don't see why that should necessarily be true.
  • djoldman4 hours ago
    This one made me chuckle:

    > This breaks my students’ brains. If it’s so ubiquitous, it must be clearly legal…right?

    Do they not drive? Driving slightly faster than the speed limit is ubiquitous in my experience.

    • brendoelfrendo2 hours ago
      Well, as he goes on to say, a scraping campaign must (based on current law, anyway) satisfy a fairly specific list of constraints to be considered unambiguously legal. That's where the "not clearly legal" idea comes in; I can only imagine that law students would have trouble parsing the idea that a massive tech company with billions of dollars would fail to spend even a little bit of that to evaluate whether or not their scraping was legal and just... do it anyway.
    • ls6122 hours ago
      This is a feature not a bug in the system. But for a lot of idealistic young law students learning that will make them deeply uncomfortable
      • moffkalastan hour ago
        Ask a cop pulling you over if it's a feature as he writes you a ticket lmao.
        • eli18 minutes ago
          It certainly is to the cop. How else could they do a pretext stop?