69 pointsby Bluestein10 hours ago9 comments
  • pyrophane4 hours ago
    I wish the article covered what is actually in the waiver, but I can hazard a pretty good guess.

    The current rules that SAG-AFTRA negotiated with the studios already allow the studios to use AI for "fix it in post" type stuff that doesn't alter an actor's performance, such as extending a scene or modifying the environment around an actor.

    If they want to use AI to modify an actor's performance or generate new footage of an actor (the so-called "digital replica") they need to get the actor's consent in advance and compensate them based on the number of days the actor would have worked to produce the generated footage.

    Unfortunately I couldn't find anything to confirm this, but it seems likely that Amazon is asking actors for a blanket waiver so they can use AI however they want. If that is the case it is understandable why Cage wouldn't want to work with them.

    • petre2 hours ago
      > such as extending a scene or modifying the environment around an actor

      I see. So if they want to put a giant phallic object behind the actor, that's covered.

      Not a fan some of Cage's acting (Con Air was terrible, Lord of War was good) but I admire him for doing this and being cool and open about it.

  • VCFundedGenYer19 minutes ago
    Good. Consequences meeting actions for movie studios that cuddle up with AI thinking it's the future.
  • InTheArena4 hours ago
    It’s not clear to me what this waiver covers? Everyone seems to be assuming his likeness, but it may be anything “AI” - which might include Photoshop (due to it’s editing capability) or any number of de-aging systems, which work far better with AI then other approaches.
  • dieselgate5 hours ago
    The article is light on details but crux mostly on Cage not being an “ai-friendly actor”. Not sure if the film would use extensive ai elements or what. On a side note never heard a movie tout its “minutes viewed” by audience.
    • InTheArena4 hours ago
      All streaming shows primarily judge themselves by minutes view.
  • motbus35 hours ago
    I guess he didn't read the terms of usage for Amazon prime folks
  • penskymaterial4 hours ago
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  • dude2507119 hours ago
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  • elmer26 hours ago
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    • tortasaur4 hours ago
      Assuming they are the "same people" sounds an awful lot like the Goomba fallacy. There are plenty of people who are consistently against the concept of intellectual property.
      • elmer24 hours ago
        No fallacy here. I've seen it here on HN pretty consistently.
    • 2397-12965 hours ago
      You mean these people?

      https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/netflix-nicolas-cage-s...

      And of course there is no difference when people pirate a movie for their friends and $2 trillion companies stealing everyone's work. None at all!

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    • causesothere4 hours ago
      Scale matters. Stealing all humanity's collective output and stealing one movie to watch one time are very different. Knocking down one hornets nest and spraying a whole city with DDT are very different. Cutting a tree and clear cutting are very different.

      Take a moment and try to understand before you construct such obviously silly and banal statements.

      • elmer24 hours ago
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        • 123la-qqg4 hours ago
          Modified Grok bot?
        • righthand4 hours ago
          > Stealing software and music put all the independent software conpanies and musicians out of business.

          What are you talking about? Itch.io still exists, indie game studios still exist, FOSS software still exists, Bandcamp still exists, indie musicians still exist, etc.

          The only thing I can think of that went out of business are platforms like Grooveshark (which was supported by “piracy”) which was litigated out business by the music industry. Spotify, the music industry main stay, is the one not paying artists.

          • elmer23 hours ago
            Many small software companies have gone out of business due to piracy. I've seen this countless times in my career.

            Before rampant piracy, independent musicians could tour small clubs and sell music. I knew many artists that basically lost their entire business due to piracy within a year.

            Nobody was willing to pay for music online, but sharing it for free was fine.

            I have the same reaction now that many here and in the tech industry have had over the last decade or two:

            Times change and you aren't owed a living. If you can't make money with the new AI landscape, I guess you should be going into a different industry.

            FOSS licensing won't matter much anymore when you can use LLMs that make changes to a code base and it looks nothing like the original.

            We needed protections 25 years ago, but too many in the industry didn't want to give up the free games, movies, music, and software.

            Now that it's hitting their bottom line, there's talks of unions and protections from the government.

            I'm pretty tired of the hypocrisy.

            Why should I care now?

            • righthand3 hours ago
              Have you ever heard the song “Everything is Free” by Gillian Welch? What you’re describing is not a new phenomenon. People also “pirated” music during the radio and cassette tape era. If you business model relies on giving away things for free and expecting the customer to have some sort of conscious, you are asking to go out of business.

              I’m from rural no-where and we still have bands and acts pass through that town on the regular making money. I now live in Nyc where there are PLENTY of places that have indie bands playing gigs and charging a door fee. So what has changed? Anyone that’s a serious about their output isn’t going to quit because of “piracy”.

              As far as unions go, that talk was always squashed by the high pay and early retirement trend in the software industry. I would like to see it happen a long time ago too but it didn’t not happen because of “piracy”.

              If they were such good devs and musicians you should be willing to link to them as examples. That would go a long way to link to their software/music site/blog/bandcamp in promoting them and getting people interested in them rather than complaining no one knows these people except from what’s been stolen from them.

            • watwut3 hours ago
              > Many small software companies have gone out of business due to piracy. I've seen this countless times in my career.

              Surely you will be able to name some of them.

              > I knew many artists that basically lost their entire business due to piracy within a year.

              So, you know many small companies and many musicians? Sounds honestly made up.

              • righthand14 minutes ago
                Probably not made up but the poster is definitely just as guilty for not supporting these people by not sharing links or at least name dropping some of them.
    • gamblor9563 hours ago
      When was Nicolas Cage in favor of software and music piracy?
    • watwut5 hours ago
      Who is that supposed to be?