Can we prove LLMs are not conscious?(machines.tivra.com)
2 pointsby DesaiAshu5 hours ago4 comments
  • andsoitis4 hours ago
    Consciousness is the subjective experience of being aware. Having an inner point of view.

    But, consciousness in others isn’t something we prove. It is something we grant and we should be very careful about whom or what we grant it to.

    • TacticalCoder3 hours ago
      > Consciousness is the subjective experience of being aware. Having an inner point of view.

      What's really intriguing with people believing LLMs are conscious is that they accept that consciousness is a fully deterministic thing: a machine that can be made to always ever give the exact same answer to the exact same input (which some models can do) would be... Conscious?

      To me that's even more WTF than talking about consciousness: deterministic consciousness.

      What a concept.

  • philipswoodan hour ago
    A lot of these arguments are based in embodiment and sensory input. That's fair.

    But I can't help noticing that I spend the bulk of my workday in disembodied virtual spaces, and that in those spaces, agents act and "move around" in ways that is not too different from ways that make sense to me too.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Make of that what you will.

    • philipswoodan hour ago
      Oh, and by the way: it looks like Claude wrote this up.
  • theGeatZhopaan hour ago
    Betteridges Law applies

    No, we can't.

  • brookst4 hours ago
    Can we prove that rocks aren’t conscious?