358 pointsby solarist8 hours ago30 comments
  • _Microft7 hours ago
    He receives the prize for conceiving the IceCube neutrino detector, a cubic-kilometer-sized detecter in the Antarctics.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IceCube_Neutrino_Observatory

    Mechanism is via conversion of neutrinos into charged particles which are then detected via Cherenkov radiation which is produced when a charged particle moves with speeds larger then the speed of light in the medium. (That is only possible because it is less than the speed of light in vacuum which cannot be exceeded.)

    This was also discussed recently if you are interested: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49655286

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation

    • walrus016 hours ago
      If anyone was wondering how some of that heavy stuff gets to the south pole to build such a large engineering project, at the farthest possible end of any logistics chain:

      https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=south+pol...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole_Traverse

      https://octanepress.com/content/south-pole-traverse_antartic...

      Significant amounts of things still come in by air cargo at great cost, but a lot also comes the long slow way.

      • brookst5 hours ago
        I am adopting “Furthest possible end of any logistics chain” as a more refined version of “middle of fucking nowhere”. Thank you.
        • walrus015 hours ago
          It would probably be harder if they wanted to put it, for instance, on the ocean floor at Point Nemo, but for sure the literal south pole is pretty damn expensive on a $ per kg to get stuff sent to. And on an ongoing basis to sustain operations 24x7x365 (it's my understanding it runs almost entirely on diesel fuel and/or Jet-A for a big-ass set of generators).
          • imglorp4 hours ago
            I disagree: anywhere in the ocean is easier logistics than crawler trains over land: ship it there and chuck it overboard. They do that to install oil rigs all the time (but that's more like float it there and sink it). Eg: https://www.wired.com/2014/07/dockwise-vanguard-shipping
            • walrus014 hours ago
              Yeah, but now imagine the cost of putting large active electronics 4,000 meters down on the sea floor and keeping it running, and getting the data back off it... The cost of running the drill rig seen in the photos of the icecube detector would be a fraction of that.
          • brookst4 hours ago
            For sure, there are more difficult places, but I don’t think there is any conceivable place where the supply chain runs through the South Pole on its way. I hope not.
      • niwtsol2 hours ago
        This was fascinating, thank you for posting! Here is a video I found of the different types of sleds they use on the traverse - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjrQrKjotpA
    • jgalt2125 hours ago
      The Telescope in the Ice was a solid book about this.

      https://www.amazon.com/dp/1137280085

      • zeristor2 hours ago
        The book about it can also be used to detect neutrinos too?
    • fooker6 hours ago
      > produced when a charged particle moves with speeds larger then the speed of light in the medium.

      Thanks, I had no idea this was possible!

      https://xkcd.com/1053/

      • pfdietz5 hours ago
        And remember, the "speed of light in the medium" depends on the wavelength of the light. This is why prisms separate light by color.
      • rramadass4 hours ago
        This is quite nuanced and not as most people assume.

        It is the "phase velocity of light in that medium" that is exceeded.

        phase velocity of light in a medium = speed of light / refractive index of the medium.

        Thus the EM wave is slowed down in a medium and so a charged particle can exceed it producing Cherenkov radiation. This is similar to a sonic boom in atmosphere when speed of sound is exceeded. In both cases the object is traveling faster than the wavefront.

        It is only in vacuum that "phase velocity of light" = "group velocity of light" = c (i.e. 300,000 km/sec)

        What really is the speed of light in a medium/vacuum, group or phase velocity? - https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/450377/what-real...

      • jchallis4 hours ago
        Optical sonic boom.
        • rramadass11 minutes ago
          Actually called a "Luminal Boom" or "Photonic Boom".
    • westurneran hour ago
      > which are then detected via Cherenkov radiation which is produced when a charged particle moves with speeds larger then the speed of light in the medium. (That is only possible because it is less than the speed of light in vacuum which cannot be exceeded.)

      I have been researching applications of FTL as well;

      Where is there an actual vacuum on Earth or in microgravity? So, there are Proca waves within dielectric Proca metamaterials and plasmas and waveguides; and photons can have effective mass and/or longitudinal charge Ez in ionized plasma?

      So, Maxwellian waves with no longitudinal (Ez,) component can exist in what fraction of the universe if they can only exist in a vacuum?

      A Twistor model can model such;

    • tonyhart76 hours ago
      I read all of that and other resources online and still couldn't understand why the hell we need to build that and especially in south pole antartica
      • joshvm4 hours ago
        Neutrinos need a large detector volume for efficiency because they interact so rarely. You can’t detect them directly so you need a transparent medium to detect their collision byproducts. Good detector mediums are water and ice, and are underground to minimise background light. There are relatively few places you can do this. Mine caverns and under the sea are the most common, but marine detectors are notoriously hard to build. Francis Halzen proposed using ice. At the Pole, the glacial plateau is 2 miles high and the breakthrough was confirming that the ice is in fact highly transparent if you go deep enough.

        Why the pole specifically? You could probably build a second IceCube 100 miles away, but how are you going to get that materials there? Pole has a skiway for large aircraft and infrastructure to house a large number of people. The traverse (SPoT) only became operational near the end of construction - the initial holes were drilled in 2005 and almost everything had to be flown in.

        Telescope In The Ice does a great job of explaining the history and science behind the experiment.

        • hardtke3 minutes ago
          The biggest challenge is finding ice without dust layers from historical volcanic activity, and the South Pole is particularly clean because of it's remoteness as well as the prevailing wind directions. There is, however, one big dust layer that causes signal distortion.
      • Intermernet5 hours ago
        The best science comes from areas that have no obvious use. The original insights into nuclear physics, quantum physics and relativity were all pure thought experiments. They led to the world we live in.

        I'm personally very happy that we're still funding science that isn't obviously monetised.

        The reason for Antarctica is that it's the only place you find cubic kilometres of stable ice that doesn't drift around.

      • whizzter5 hours ago
        My best guess would be just the remoteness.

        1: Ice-mass that isn't contaminated by atomic testing fallout (if the ice has been there since the 40s it's without radioactive waste (faschinating to read about how WW2 wrecks is a prime resource of steel since it's a huge amount of steel without trace amounts of radionucletiods from testing fallout).

        2: No current interference (nuclear power, radiowaves,etc) creating possible test uncertainties.

        3: I'm sure there are other reasons

        The negative naturally is cost, but since the expriment succeeded it will probably be useful for any attempts to send robots or even humanity into space beyond the solar system.

      • mr_mitm6 hours ago
        Where else would you go look for a cubic km of ice?
      • jimberlage3 hours ago
        If we're serious about AI taking over jobs, we'll probably need to get more comfortable with any kind of undirected work-for-its-own-sake, not less.
  • JimTheMan7 hours ago
    I'm in love with the cute little figure that came with the press release: https://www.nobelprize.org/uploads/2026/10/fig_fy_26_3x2.jpg

    I appreciate the boldness of this project, it has an element of sci-fi to it. Building a base at the south pole to bury sensors in ice to measure elusive particles. The stuff of dreams!

    • felixthehat6 hours ago
      The same guy (Johan Jarnestad) has been doing all the nobel prize illustrations and infographics for years!

      https://www.infographics.se/

      https://www.behance.net/JohanJarnestad

      • whizzter5 hours ago
        Looking at the behance site it's a pretty good choice, glad some illustrators are still making a living in the AI age.
    • ungovernableCat7 hours ago
      A trillion of these silly small guys pass through us every second. Funny to imagine them like that.
      • Kelteseth6 hours ago
        There are many things that my brain just can't handle, the size of the universe, more than 3 dimensions and this fact especially.
        • sulam2 hours ago
          I will argue on your behalf that your brain can handle just one more dimension than the 3 you are likely referring to. :)
      • BurningFrog2 hours ago
        If you ever feel lonely, think about all those little friends who come visit you!
    • Sharlin7 hours ago
      To be fair, the base was already there and logistically essential. The IceCube topside building is just a part of the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station, about a km or so from the Elevated Station.
      • jrowen4 hours ago
        This image* from Wikipedia surprised me. The topside building is...you could say...the tip of the iceberg. The detectors span a huge area going over 2km deep. The predecessor AMANDA array was also down there.

        *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IceCube_Neutrino_Observatory#/...

        • Sharlin2 hours ago
          Yes. It spans a cubic kilometer.

          The building is just for housing the data gathering and comms equipment and whatever maintenance and engineering stuff the array needs. I don’t think anybody physically works there regularly.

  • southpolesteve3 hours ago
    What an amazing accomplishment! I played a very tiny part in this project and went to the South Pole in 2009 to help with construction. Didn't see any neutrinos the entire time I was there though :/
  • dekhn2 hours ago
    I worked with a guy who worked on IceCube. He flew down to the South Pole, went all the way to the station, just to install debian for their data processing systems. I was... a bit jealous.
  • weinzierl7 hours ago
    We think of receiving a Nobel Prize as something super rare and exceptional and it is. What still always astounds me though, is this:

    There are nearly 300 living laureates. Enough to hold a yearly meetup for them in Lindau, where usually about 40 gather. This year, for the event's 75th anniversary, there were even about 70. Imagine that.

    • NitpickLawyer6 hours ago
      > yearly meetup for them in Lindau

      IIRC Oppenheimer facilitated / sponsored a meeting there after the Manhattan Project, as a gathering where physicists could talk freely about physics for a change.

      • PopePompus6 hours ago
        Every year a few of the Nobel Prize winners attend the IgNobel Prize ceremony and dance on stage.
  • cgeier7 hours ago
    The first time in as long as I can think that a single physicist was chosen.
    • dguest4 hours ago
      All of science is collaborative and this is especially true in these big experiments: the IceCube collaboration is over 400 people [1] from several dozen institutes. There are a lot of experiments where giving a Nobel prize would be impossible because there's no "principal investigator" for the experiment.

      [1]: https://icecube.wisc.edu/collaboration/meet-the-collaboratio...

    • lhd16 hours ago
      I wonder - was there really no other people they could have given it to? The detection of gravitational waves was split between a theorist, experimentalist and a person who had a big hand in shepherding the project along. Could not the same have been done here?
      • dguest4 hours ago
        I would imagine the problem is that there are too many of them.

        For better or worse the prize can only go to 3 people. Over the years there are generally many dozens of people who make absolutely critical contributions to these kinds of experiments. In this case, though, the same guy was listed as the PI of the UW Madison group, and Madison is very clearly "the" operator of the project.

        Halzen is by any measure an awesome physicist, but he's also a good "fit" for the Nobel because of this unique situation.

        • lokimedes2 hours ago
          I was in the IceCube experiment for a bit as well as the ATLAS Experiment at CERN. So you could say I contributed a bit to both this and the Higgs Nobel. Being part of these big collaborations, you know what the deal is. The Nobel is excellent PR for physics, and science in general, but it is just a prize. Francis is the singular leader of IceCube, and a visionary in the area, it is perfectly fair to award it to him, if not to the total collaboration. As for theory, I don’t think this award hinges on theoretical predictions but the enablement of observation itself.
      • slieman hour ago
        other relevant people are probably dead
        • hardtke2 minutes ago
          I can confirm. The most relevant other contributors are dead but even then Francis is the most deserving.
    • bananaflag7 hours ago
      1992
  • jahnu7 hours ago
    Here's the APOD for IceCube back from 2011

    https://science.nasa.gov/image-article/apod-2011-february-13...

  • ronbenton5 hours ago
    Anyone else romanticize going to work at some remote location like the IceCube? Probably some escapism going on
    • southpolesteve3 hours ago
      I worked on IceCube. Was at the South Pole for a little over a month. Wild once in a lifetime experience. And if I am being honest I was terribly bored after the first 2 weeks. Its very flat and white and cold and not much to do. I was asked to go back the next year and I said no.
      • freecodeio2 hours ago
        was there any clear sky ever? how did it look like? I'm assuming you went during daylight?
    • bananasbandanas4 hours ago
      We hire two people to stay over the winter and operate the detector each year. No icecube affiliation or physics background required, although a technical background helps.
      • ConorHH4 hours ago
        Sounds like the intro to a horror.
    • Starman_Jones4 hours ago
      I had a professor who talked about working there. In his words, “Thank God for whiskey!”

      While there is some romantic imagery (penguins!) down there, and the disconnect from the rest of the world might be appealing, for large parts of the year you’re just stuck inside.

      • scheme2713 minutes ago
        It depends on where you are, Away from the coast, there's no penguins or any large creatures.
  • cowang5 hours ago
    Absolute loved this book by Halzen and Martin

    https://archive.org/details/quarksleptonsint0000halz

  • yk5 hours ago
    Pretty cool. One of the big challenges in trying neutrino detection in ice is dealing with funding agencies. The optical properties of ice only get good when you are actually a few kilometers deep in very old ice. That is you can't just build a demonstrator in the nearest glacier with a few leftover photomultipliers, you need to go directly to Antarctica and bore a three kilometer hole into the ice. And projects where the MVP is quite expensive are always very hard to get funded.
    • immmmmm5 hours ago
      I remember one of my professor, a pioneer of neutrino detectors in Europe, mentioning Ice Cube in a lecture more than 20 years ago. Long time scale (due to funding).
  • Upvoter336 hours ago
    Great news for UW-Madison and all the work that went into such a forward thinking, creative scientific instrument!
  • exmadscientistan hour ago
    Well holy shit. I didn't expect to wake up this morning and see the "outside" guy from my thesis committee (aka, the only one who wasn't a rubber stamp) winning the Nobel Prize.

    Francis isn't the first Nobel Prize winner I've crossed paths with. But I think he's the only one I'd call a "decent human being". (When I use it, that phrase has a meaning roughly comparable to "nontrivial", so, saying it is nontrivial.) He was well enough liked by faculty and students during my time at UW-Madison.

    It's important to note that he's not getting the prize for "conceiving of IceCube" like some people are saying. It's for "conceiving of IceCube and somehow actually making it happen". The latter is the achievement.

    Congratulations.

  • tesnorindian6 hours ago
    IceCube Neutrino Observatory - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLbegYWCqkg
  • kieojk2 hours ago
    The last time a physicist won the award alone dates back to 1992, 34 years ago
  • rurban7 hours ago
    Last years favorite finally wins it this time. https://www.rtbf.be/article/avec-icecube-le-physicien-belge-... (2025)
  • PaulHoule6 hours ago
    Neutrino physics is the frontier. It’s one area where we know there are “physics beyond the standard model” though IceCube hasn’t quite been able to answer the neutrino mass question.
  • tesnorindian6 hours ago
    As we celebrate the IceCube neutrino detector for wining this year Nobel Prize in Physics, people in my country India should feel lost for missing the opportunity to setup INO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India-based_Neutrino_Observato...)

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/why-the-neu...

    • assemblymanan hour ago
      As a trained high-energy physicist who loves the subject, I wouldn't want the destruction of forests, tiger and elephant habitats (or any other habitats) for "science". There are always alternatives - alternate sites, alternate designs, alternate experiments.

      One of my primary disagreements with my friends and colleagues was based on their insistence that opposing a new facility was anti-science and only done by the "uneducated". IMO, while this was true for a small subset of opposing factions, there were often real reasons for not building which took realities outside research into consideration.

    • immighelper6 hours ago
      That's an uncharitable take. The proposed observatory was through pristine dense forest, and one of the most important elephant corridors in Asia. It was opposed by the democratically elected government, and litigated in courts in an open and transparent way. The physics gains do not outweigh the environmental cost, and the fact that scientists were able to get valuable data from an observatory in the lifeless Antarctic is further justification not to build this.
      • tesnorindian6 hours ago
        IceCube observatory is for studying the high energy cosmic neutrinos from a distant galaxy or black holes. But the one proposed INO is to study the low and medium energy atmospheric neutrinos. INO was designed to study the mass ordering of neutrinos. Both observatories are for studying different aspects and properties of neutrinos and are not the same.
    • UI-EDITOR6 hours ago
      isnt theni the place where hemp farm were destroyed in 1800?
  • v3rm1n2 hours ago
    Madison WI mentioned!
  • NoHedgeAllBets5 hours ago
    Quite rare for a it to be awarded to just one person.
  • jdw646 hours ago
    Sometimes I think it would be nice if there were biographies that laid out when and how Nobel laureates made their discoveries. Then wouldn't it be possible to pattern how people discover certain phenomena?
    • Kotlopou5 hours ago
      Not Nobel laureates, but people have tried this. I once was looking for the early education of famous scientists and found the book Cradles of Eminence [1], which compares the childhoods of several hundred famous people.

      One thing I noticed was that more than a few were seriously sick in childhood and had to be homeschooled. This includes Edward Morley, Peter Higgs, René Descartes (though I'm not sure how rare it was at his time), and the mathematician Julia Robinson, who was bedridden with scarlet fever at 9 years old, then had to get tutoring to catch back up, and had this to say about it [2]:

      > I have since read that a solitary childhood or, what amounts to the same thing, a period of isolation resulting from an illness is frequently noted in the early lives of scientists. I am not sure what the significance of this finding is. Obviously I had to amuse myself for long periods of time, but I didn’t do so with mathematics. I am inclined to think that what I learned during that year in bed was patience.

      > By the time I was well enough to go back to school, I had missed more than two years. My parents arranged to have me tutored by a retired elementary school teacher. In one year, working three mornings a week, she and I went through the state syllabuses for the fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth grades. It makes me wonder how much time must be wasted in classrooms.

      Sidenote: I found the book [1] through asking a free LLM what source this quote might be referring to. They are reasonably good at this kind of literature search, especially because it's easy to judge whether they gave you something useful.

      [1] https://archive.org/details/cradlesofeminenc0000goer_l9f8/pa...

      [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20181207045746/https://www.maa.o...

      • jdw645 hours ago
        thanks!
        • oliculipolicula4 hours ago
          Uh not sure Halzen personally made discoveries, in the original sense of the word!

          Indeed, "in-spiraling" seems more like a one-man discovery (or has more of a chance to become one) than many (not all, obv) nobel prize winning work

          The mechanism for which Higgs was awarded was also independently discovered by at least ten other people (I can't count)

          >The Higgs mechanism is therefore also called the Brout–Englert–Higgs mechanism, or Englert–Brout–Higgs–Guralnik–Hagen–Kibble mechanism,[9] Anderson–Higgs mechanism,[10] Anderson–Higgs–Kibble mechanism,[11] Higgs–Kibble mechanism by Abdus Salam[12] and ABEGHHK'tH mechanism (for Anderson, Brout, Englert, Guralnik, Hagen, Higgs, Kibble, and 't Hooft)

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_mechanism

          Can't wait for OpenAI to get the nobel prize; Swedes are more sympathetic than mathematicians!! (so that human beings might completely separate discovery from reward/awards/recognition. Discovery is a human right!!!)

    • rramadass2 hours ago
      > wouldn't it be possible to pattern how people discover certain phenomena?

      This question in the field of "general problem-solving" (inventions etc.) was investigated by studying patent literature by Genrich Altshuller in the former Soviet Union and systematized as TRIZ - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIZ

      Theory of inventive problem solving' is a methodology which combines an organized, systematic method of problem-solving with analysis and forecasting techniques derived from the study of patterns of invention in global patent literature.

      TRIZ developed from a foundation of research into hundreds of thousands of inventions in many fields to produce an approach which defines patterns in inventive solutions and the characteristics of the problems which these inventions have overcome.

      See also my older comment for more resources - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45976697

    • Forgeties795 hours ago
      The common denominator is money and time. The only way to get more results is to put more funding out there (and accepting that not everything is about a direct ROI).
  • karlkloss6 hours ago
    Still no affordable antigravity? Dang.
    • bookofjoe5 hours ago
      He's working on it; still in deep black.
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  • dauertewigkeit7 hours ago
    Just happy it's not another AI related prize.
  • rator95216 hours ago
    Oh, it's amazing that the AI didn't prize.
    • terminalbraid6 hours ago
      Why? They gave that out already.
    • logicchains6 hours ago
      There's no such thing as AI, it's just Jürgen Schmidhuber in a small room typing really really quickly. And no way they're giving him a Nobel Prize.
  • omeysalvi7 hours ago
    Just woke up this morning to this news. Thank God. Today is a good day.
  • birdboat006 hours ago
    Makes me sad, that even there we put our human stuff and Metal boxes
  • hyperionultra6 hours ago
    What is practical application of Francis work?
    • mr_mitm4 hours ago
      It could be the beginning of Neutrino astronomy [1]. So far, we only used the electromagnetic spectrum, from radio waves to gamma rays, to observe the universe. If we could equally leverage neutrinos or gravitational waves, we could observe much more of the universe. For example, the cosmic microwave background radiation enables us to deduce the conditions at 300ky after the Big Bang. The cosmic neutrino background [2] could give us insight in the conditions 1s after the Big Bang.

      [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino_astronomy

      [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_neutrino_background

    • kryptiskt3 hours ago
      Knowing the properties of neutrinos is essential for building the neutrino bomb, the most ethical weapon possible.
    • weatherlite4 hours ago
      The million dollars. A Nobel prize is worth a million dollars.
      • mr_mitm4 hours ago
        Similar to the Millennium prize by the Clay institute, the amount of luck and effort you need to receive the prize don't make it worthwhile. Plus, it's generally expected to use that money for further research. It would be advisable to focus on other endeavors, if money is your motivator.
      • HoldOnAMinute3 hours ago
        So, two years salary in the Bay Area where it's a lot warmer?
    • guidopallemans5 hours ago
      Neutrino detectors are essential in receiving communication from other galaxies.
      • pfdietz5 hours ago
        That doesn't make any sense. Photons would work much better.
        • dguest4 hours ago
          Photons work better for driving a car too but being able to hear is still quite useful.

          In other words: we already have lots of things that measure photons. You see things on two totally different media it's a lot more compelling than just one.

          • terminalbraid3 hours ago
            Neutrinos are not an analog to sound in the point you are trying to make. They are many orders of magnitude more weakly interacting and much, much difficult to measure.
          • pfdietz4 hours ago
            That may be the case, but it doesn't explain why neutrinos would be essential for intergalactic communication. Maybe the person I was responding to didn't realize neutrinos travel very close to the speed of light, not infinitely fast?
  • freebsd_lovefes28 minutes ago
    What a circle j*k that academia is. Fake Science is what it is. It's, like, they take everything good and pervert it into something ungodly. We could've been eons ahead in science if academia wasn't a leftist bastion off backend lickers, bottom to top, working assiduously to create more and more artificial complexity with one objective in mind - their own job security. I'm not even afraid to generalize because they all bend over when they graduate. They are literally discouraging critical thought at this point and intelligence is discouraged as well. It's all about control. See if there's any real conversation about anything important anywhere anymore.
    • MinimalAction20 minutes ago
      While I understand academia has its own systematic problems, I do not get your rant. Could you give concrete examples of how academia is "discouraging critical thought at this point and intelligence is discouraged as well"?
    • howunfortunate21 minutes ago
      My own PhD leaves me inclined to share your rage against the machine but do you care to expound on why this applies to this award?

      Because, knowing little about physics, this strikes me as reasonably interesting work compared to the slop in my own field.

      • freebsd_lovefes14 minutes ago
        Did you read what I wrote? Waste, fraud, and abuse! They do virtually ZERO theoretical physics and then expend gazillions of resources on contraptions to study elusive stuff they could've derived theoretically first and in very elegant fashion. It's just making themselves indispensable at any cost. And they are clever, which is why they are successful in that enterprise so far, but it's not the enterprise that has anyone's interests in mind, except them being in control.