It feels like people want there to be some horrible side effect to these drugs. Idk if it’s some moral objection to weight loss without discipline, or just general mistrust of big pharma.
Of course, all that ignores that people's bodies are different, and some people will be slim no matter what they do, while others are doomed to be heavier regardless what they do on their own (barring extremes like developing eating disorders), but I'm not sure it would matter even should everyone understand that -- a large proportion of people need someone they perceive as lesser whom they can look down upon, and physical appearance is a quick and easy means to categorize others.
Yes, there absolutely is a sense of "it was hard for me, but I did it anyway, you should do the hard thing too". But that's not out of nowhere. It's healthier to do hard things. Willpower is a muscle. If you never exercise it, it's going to atrophy.
She has a PhD in biotechnology and works in a lab. She is also quite thin (always was).
It's crab mentality disguised as moral position. It's especially obvious when the same people advocate for free access to drugs, alcohol or gambling. You should have freedom you do anything as long as it doesn't improve your life or move you to in social hierarchy.
- Concerned about fatphobia
- Worried Ozempic might create a two tier society
- Believe we should have unrestricted access to gambling and drugs
This sounds like a goomba to me.
Isn't the whole point to read about what others think or experienced to learn about things you personally hasn't?
Being able to lose weight is, in many minds, associated with self-discipline. A route to the same goal that elides self-discipline is consequently viewed as a cheat, a shortcut.
It's a product if the cultural pervasiveness of the Protestant work ethic and its relation to the health and wellness domains. That fine, in my opinion, if one is Protestant, but why carry the baggage for someone else's religion if you're not one, ya know?
I know with the famous 382 day fast guy they fed him vitamins, but I don't believe they do that with GLP-1/Ozempic prescriptions? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Barbieri%27s_fast
It's a side effect of the treatment regimen that many people in all likelihood aren't even aware of so it's good to report it like this
It sounds more like malnutrition and starvation.
I'll concede it may still be better than being fat, though.
That said, based on googling telogen effluvium seems to have lots of causes not related to malnutrition, even if insufficient protein is one of the causes.
So if you have a treatment for moles, and a patient (trial participant) has a mole on their back treated and then falls down the stairs or is run over by a trolley the agency wants you to do an analysis to see if the treatment might have had something to do with getting run over or not taking the lift.
Note: this is not an exaggeration. I have written phase I and phase II clinical trial protocols earlier in my career.
> “For people taking or considering GLP-1 receptor agonists, the main takeaway is: do not panic, and do not stop an effective treatment on your own because of your hair or nails—but do mention these symptoms to your doctor,” study author Charles Taïeb, a clinical dermatologist at Necker University Hospital in Paris, told Gizmodo.
Wow. Sounds pretty fuckin serious. Can't believe people are taking these highly dangerous drugs instead of mustering up a mass of eternal self-discipline they clearly already don't have and never will. Shame on them and the doctors! Side-effects are very serious even if the people taking about them are like "uhhh yeah not a huge deal, but like, be aware and talk to your doctor about it", why not just try being a perfect human being like me! Try not being fat! I am very smart!!!!
In an economic sense the cost that you'd associate with those is research, which you would have already paid when choosing to use a drug with a net positive effect.
People import it from China from suppliers and do not know how to properly dose it. Many are using it in knee jerk fashion with no proper dosing protocol.
Why they do it? it's because it's cheaper this way and they have to answer or explaining the use to no one.
Others have this strange idea, "if i am using GLPs, exercise and dieting is no longer needed".
When long term experienced GLP users say, you still need a dieting and workout protocol, https://www.reddit.com/r/tirzepatidecompound/comments/1omfgx...
GLPs are very useful but they are not needed by vast majority of people who use it.
And key questions
1. Do you really need GLPs? how did you figure this out?
2. How much do you need?
3. What's your dieting and workout strategy?
Very few GLP users actually run through these questions.
People should stop pushing it as a “miracle” and instead see it as a “tool” used in specific cases.
I do encourage anyone who can remotely afford the name-brand drugs to buy them, but even with price cuts they're still quite expensive. So while I'm never going to encourage buying pharmaceuticals from sketchy grey market producers, I find it very hard to tell the people who can't afford GLP-1s that they have to just deal. It'd be like not being able to buy painkillers.
What's the source of this info?
The market is filled with "Eat X for weight loss, eat Y for weight gain."
The average person actually does not choose the right strategy for weight loss which is "Calorie Deficit"
But implementing it is not "EASY" until you understand how expenditure, calorie intake, and weight movement work, which is too much work to understand for an average Joe.
OKAY, vasty majority of people on HackerNews can probably wrap their head around these concepts if they find the right resource, but average Joe can't.
Let's take something as simple as "calorie deficit."
Being at a calorie deficit itself requires knowing two things:
1. How much you burn in a day (total daily energy expenditure or TDEE)
2. How much your intake is for the day
Deficit = TDEE - Intake
You can do calorie counting for #2. But what can you do for #1?
The average guy does not know how to calculate these properly, let alone judge weight movement, which can move a lot in the opposite direction due to water weight fluctuations that can exceed 1 kg+ of movement a day.
Have you seen the math required for figuring out "Maintenance Calories?, see this: https://macrocodex.app/knowledge/rethink/adaptive-tdee/
And all the factors that go into this? see this: https://macrocodex.app/knowledge/macrocodex/smart-calorie-bu...
We've 17,000+ users why? because #1 is a difficult problem for many.
>What GLP-1s immediately illustrate to most people who try them is that there's a real, physical problem with their appetite that only GLP-1s successfully correct.
That doesn't mean every guy who is overweight by 5-10kg needs GLPs.
>A few weeks after I started taking GLP-1s, I started to feel full again for the first time since college. Everyone should work out daily and maintain a varied, healthy diet, but I did and they never made me feel that way alone.
Sorry but most people diet poorly, dieting well requires training and education.
GLP users themselves say this, https://www.reddit.com/r/tirzepatidecompound/comments/1omfgx...
Have you actually worked on this problem? or you just make bunch of assumption and accept them as "truth"?
At the end, I am not a GLP “hater.” If you fail to stay at a deficit for several weeks (deficit 300-400kcal) due to poor appetite regulation, you feel insanely hungry even after volume eating methods, improving physical activity by walking more and lifting 1x a week etc..., you are perhaps a valid candidate for GLP, so you can reach out to doctors.
Eating whole foods, lifting 1x a week, and walking 10k steps (at zone 2 pace) are something everyone should do, regardless of whether they are fat or not!
But saying all fat people need GLPs is something I am not going to agree with.