Flock Wants the Most Detailed Map of Its Surveillance Cameras Taken Offline(theintercept.com)
74 pointsby bookofjoean hour ago11 comments
  • rgloveran hour ago
    IMO, when they have to hide, that's the beginning of the end. Too many people are aware of the what/why now. And above all else, once the tables turn on elected officials and they realize they're under the same surveillance, I bet their tune will change (likely due to a public egg-on-face moment involving illegal or suspicious activity). If people keep the pressure on, this will be a "remember when" rather quickly.
    • Cider998623 minutes ago
      Government officials should be highly transparent. Privacy for the people, transparency for the government.
      • dylan6049 minutes ago
        I'm waiting to find out that Flock systems do not log the data when the plates are recognized as gov't issued plates.
      • awesome_dude13 minutes ago
        There's a balance that needs to be struck, politicians are humans too
        • atmavatar3 minutes ago
          Politicians are humans who knowingly choose to enter public office for the sake of exercising power, whether for altruistic or nefarious reasons (or some combination thereof).

          The power is why politicians deserve greater scrutiny than the average person, and anyone who wants to keep their privacy intact can choose not to run for office. The loss of privacy (usually at the hands of the press) is already an implied cost of running for and holding office.

        • black69 minutes ago
          Not once they put themselves into the public sphere. They become chattel, bought and sold by special interests.
    • FireBeyond34 minutes ago
      Some of that is already happening, in DC of all places, where the DC Police Officer's Union is protesting against use of Flock by ... the DC Police (albeit Internal Affairs).

      Something about "this technology is invasive and violates the right to privacy of our members"...

  • derbOacan hour ago
    If Flock wants to be used by public services, it should be subject to maximum transparency. If you don't want your camera locations public, don't offer them to the public for their use.
  • bilekas15 minutes ago
    I am starting a surveillance company in the US. I'll sell the data to anyone who wants. I'll put cameras up wherever I like, call it protection of the people, the police will enjoy it doing a lot of work for them and then I'll point cameras squarely at my competition, 24 hours a day, 365 a year, until they ask for regulations.

    If anyone would like to kickstart let me know.

  • AKSF_Ackermannan hour ago
    I would like to point out that the website in question has a button to download the entire dataset. Probably would be a good idea to save a copy.
  • JKCalhounan hour ago
    I still want to see a driving game, perhaps using Google maps, where you try to get from point A to point B and not pass any Flock cameras.
    • pennomi33 minutes ago
      I’m working on an OpenStreetMap-powered map generator in Godot, this would probably be quite easy to build.
    • nxobject36 minutes ago
      That would make for a “fun” (if depressing) Glider environmental hazard.
  • NoboruWataya15 minutes ago
    Interesting that the site is only available in the US. I wonder why that is.
  • heliomattress23 minutes ago
    flock CEO's last name is "Langley" ? you can't make this stuff up.
  • ortusduxan hour ago
    Could the map's creator be held liable if Flock can demonstrate this map in particular was used to destroy cameras?
    • dylan6046 minutes ago
      Can Google/Apple/et al be held liable if demonstrated that any criminal used maps in prep for any crime?
    • collabsan hour ago
      In my uninformed opinion that would be a dangerous precedent if there is no proven collusion or conspiracy to act together. I anal though so I'll wait for people who know the law to respond.
    • moate43 minutes ago
      Highly unlikely (but hey, anything's possible when you're flirting with an authoritarian regime). They would need to demonstrate that the map was made TO destroy cameras if to have real merit.
  • forshaper33 minutes ago
    Axon and Motorola must be pretty satisfied with all this.
    • paimapi24 minutes ago
      for what it's worth, the DeFlock maps also include Axon/Motorola cams. they pick up my city's custom implementation too so the anti-surveillance movement is really benefiting from this Flock-focused hate
  • adolph34 minutes ago
    Clickbait. The website proprietor received a 3rd party trademark infringement complaint. If people in the company would prefer the map to be offline, they are taking a very roundabout way of accomplishing it.

      On Thursday, Michael was notified that Doppel, which describes itself as an “AI-native social engineering defense platfom,” filed a trademark infringement complaint regarding his site, claiming to be working on Flock’s behalf. Doppel says that the site is using the trademark “FLOCK SAFETY” without authorization, which “may cause customer confusion / harm.” Doppel requested the site be taken down.
    • moatea minute ago
      The fact that they can't go to the court and say "It pisses me off that this guy is doing what he's doing" and instead have to, ya know, try a case based on the actual laws that exist, seems to be confusing you about what "direct legal action" is.
    • plorg16 minutes ago
      >they are taking a very roundabout way of accomplishing it

        Doppel requested the site be taken down.
      Actually that seems pretty direct.