83 pointsby slowin7 hours ago13 comments
  • neom6 hours ago
    If you want to compare before and after:

    https://earth.google.com/web/search/31%2e297226,+34%2e243649... - then click "show historical imagery" next to the search box.

  • bognition5 hours ago
    Its really telling to see the destruction limited to where the structures used to be rather than to all of the surrounding green spaces. If the destruction of civilian dwellings was purely an accident you'd expect to see the destruction spread evenly over the area. Instead it looks much more like a prolonged set of surgical strikes to destroy the buildings while preserving as much of the surrounding areas as possible.

    For a great example of this, look at this pin https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZcMbdFcx87PrqoYNA

    And here's a pin of where the farms were spared https://maps.app.goo.gl/iZbbTH4iH27FCz4s9

    • biimugan4 hours ago
      I don't quite understand your argument here. In your first pin I'm struggling to find a single building that isn't leveled, or at least severely damaged. Even buildings far away from the city center in the boonies are leveled.
    • ImPostingOnHN5 hours ago
      They just use bulldozers to flatten whatever the bombs don't. They can drive a bulldozer pretty precisely, especially when they don't care who's in front of it or under it.

      Caterpillar even supplies the IDF with bulldozers just for this purpose, which then get up-armored and sent into Palestinian civilian areas to do this (including unmanned versions).

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDF_Caterpillar_D9

      • AuthAuth5 hours ago
        By the time the bulldozers are there civilians have long moved out of the area.
        • ImPostingOnHN4 hours ago
          Interesting claim. Where did you hear that? The IDF is pretty infamous for crushing people alive with these bulldozers, and also for denying search & rescue access to find civilians buried in the wreckage (and also for just killing said SAR and hiding the bodies and lying about it*).

          * surprise, it was in Rafah, the city formerly located in the wasteland from the article we're discussing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah_paramedic_massacre

  • wilburx36 hours ago
    The icons from what was there before are a haunting digital ghost. School, Restaurant, Pharmacy all the city is just rubble.
  • igleria6 hours ago
    Atomic dome vibes when looking at some of the few buildings still standing
  • saturn_vk5 hours ago
    It's sad that most world leaders do nothing to combat such genocide. There are so few sanctions against the state, or specific people, of Israel. Foreign forums are very much still open for business to them.
    • lenerdenatoran hour ago
      1) Ultimately, money means more to foreign nations than what happens with internal affairs of their trading partners

      2) Accusations of genocide, whether they stand up or not, are great fodder for whataboutism discussions. Let's say the world's two largest economies, the US and China, decided to start sanctioning Israel for what's happening in Gaza. You could expect other countries to start threatening actions against the US and China over their previous or current genocidal behaviors. These are obviously not things that the US and China want to deal with.

    • bjork5 hours ago
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      • phantompeace4 hours ago
        History will look back on people like you quite unfavourably.
      • ImPostingOnHN5 hours ago
        Please. We can judge for ourselves, and don't need you to try this "jedi mind trick" schtick.

        Please try posting more constructive content than unconvincing, blanket denials. It doesn't make for good discussion.

  • ChrisArchitect5 hours ago
    non-X Google Maps link to ~location of screenshot: https://www.google.com/maps/@31.2857778,34.2533333,1010m
  • lenerdenator6 hours ago
    Another one to look at is the maps of Ukraine [0]

    [0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/google-maps-...

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  • purpleflame12576 hours ago
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    • mobelkh5 hours ago
      cities do not get systematically flattened with bulldozers in urban warfare, you only completely wipe out cities when you don't want any the civilians to come back.
      • db48x4 hours ago
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    • ardit336 hours ago
      nah... it is explicit genocide, and the deliberate destruction of every civilian possible. Everyone knows what's going on.
      • the_origami_fox4 hours ago
        It was not a genocide. It was the deliberate destruction of the urban tunnel and terror network that the government of Gaza aka Hamas built in preparation for war with Israel. The population of Gaza is already at pre-war levels (of we exclude the 100,000 who evacuated) and was not "genocided"
        • mittensc4 hours ago
          Imagine this was Jerusalem and someone made a similar comment.

          What would you respond?

          • Sabinusan hour ago
            If Jerusalem was lined with the largest tunnel system on earth, laced with booby traps and radical fighters that had just committed a deliberate civilian massacre and retreated into the city for protection among human shields, that they have prepared to defend for a decade?
            • newspaper1an hour ago
              You just described all cities in Israel, only they've been hyper-militarized since Nakba, the ethnic cleansing on Palestine in 1948. Israel has mandatory conscription and most of its inhabitants serve or have served in the IDF.
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  • the_origami_fox4 hours ago
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  • AuthAuth5 hours ago
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  • peter_retief5 hours ago
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    • ImPostingOnHN5 hours ago
      Calling this "propaganda" is propaganda.
      • peter_retief5 hours ago
        Sure, buildings were demolished, is that unusual in a war zone?
        • ImPostingOnHN5 hours ago
          > Sure, buildings were demolished, is that unusual in a war zone?

          I'm going to assume good faith in your framing, rather than intentional minimization. Suffice it to say, more has happened than "buildings were demolished", and those more things are the subject of the article. Like, for example, an entire city systemically flattened with every single civilian inhabitant killed or exiled on their own land.

          To answer your question in that context: yes, that is unusual in war these days, because it is tantamount to war crimes and crimes against humanity.

  • Leonard_of_Q5 hours ago
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    • biimugan4 hours ago
      What belief is being expressed in your comments? That if someone wins a military conflict, any action they took is justified? That seems like either moral relativism or ahistorical, blind patriotism. The Soviets also won that war -- does that mean they were justified in their constellations of gulags?

      If anything, the more apt historical comparison is to the Czechoslovakian and Polish partisans who wanted nothing less than to harry the Germans on (or within) their borders before the war. The British and French ambassadors (i.e. Qatar, etc) took great pains to try and convince the Polish and Czechoslovakian governments to restrain their partisans from attacking German people or positions, since they suspected Germany would use any and all provocation, no matter how small, as a casus belli. Anyone who's read a bit of WW2 history also knows how often the German government attempted to engineer exactly these kinds of events to justify their aggression.

      It sounds straight out of the Likud playbook, doesn't it? But in what universe does an attack that kills 1000 people, a good number of them active duty soldiers, justify killing and maiming over 100,000 civilians and leveling hundreds of thousands of buildings? If the shoe were on the other foot, this implies Hamas also has the moral imperative to do just the same to Israel. That's moral relativism for you.

      Perhaps Europe had a better understanding of this topic when they instituted the Geneva Conventions and other international humanitarian law after the war than we do today, 100 years out, trying to now claim none of it actually matters and the means justify the ends.

    • dumberquestions5 hours ago
      History didn't start on October 7th.
    • lotadicarus5 hours ago
      this is not war, it is genocide