58 pointsby ryanscio8 hours ago12 comments
  • dr_dshiv4 minutes ago
    Augustine describes silent reading himself:

    “I returned in haste to the place where Alipius was sitting, for I had left the book of the Apostle there when I stood up. I seized it, opened it, and read in silence the chapter upon which my eyes first fell”

    https://sourcelibrary.org/book/meditationes-divi-augustini-e...

  • itchingsphynx4 hours ago
    It’s worth recalling that mass literacy is only about 300 years old, so the modern culture of private reading is only slightly older than the United States, which is probably itself a consequence of mass literacy - sparked by Luther, Gutenberg, etc. Ironically, today the USA is also probably leading the decline in mass literacy woth a “post-literate president.” Maybe book-reading will eventually become an anachronistic hobby, although even Thomas Jefferson made this dire prophecy too about fiction [1].

    “Acoustic representations activated in silent reading are best characterized as inner speech rather than as abstract phonological codes.” [2]

    1. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/2026/08/reading-crisis-...

    2. https://link.springer.com/article/10.3758/BF03205520

    • claiiran hour ago
      Seems hard to square your claim that “today the USA is also probably leading the decline in mass literacy” with the PISA [1] research.

      [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_St...

      • AdamN26 minutes ago
        What they're getting at is that people aren't able to sit down and digest a moderately challenging book. This is due to attention span, the habit of 'scrolling' vs turning a page, etc... Those people can still 'read' and are literate in a sense.

        I would say most of us have this situation already but it's much worse when you look more broadly around. People without an interest in books used to read tabloids which for all their faults were still more edifying then what the TikTok or YouTube shorts algorithms are presenting.

      • Barrin9234 minutes ago
        There's different levels to literacy, there was quite sobering research published recently about English college students who couldn't parse the opening paragraphs of Bleak House, even with assistance[1].

        It's not been limited to the US but in the developed world broadly cognitive performance has been crashing for about a decade, i.e. the 'learning recession'. Talk to anyone who teaches these days and you usually get a fairly depressing story about kids being unable to decode basic information

        [1]https://www.adorableandharmless.com/p/college-english-majors...

      • myrmidon28 minutes ago
        Nitpick: This is old data; US performance in reading dropped to basically the lowest levels ever during the latest test:

        https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/pisa-2025-results-volum...

        US is still near the top globally, though, and other countries like Germany had a bigger drop in reading performance that started earlier, so your point still stands.

    • RealityVoid2 hours ago
      Not sure. Since LLM's have their spot, I, personally, have been reading much more. And I was no slouch when it came to consuming written materials.

      Sure, some of it is slop, some of it is pretty good. But I did read more.

      • phoronixrly2 hours ago
        I'm sorry, are you reading more because LLMs are doing your job in the meantime or are you reading more because you're mostly reading LLM output day to day now?
  • delis-thumbs-7e2 hours ago
    I have no idea, but with ADHD and all, I have taken recently the habit of reading aloud, especially course texts, doc’s and other boring stuff I easily get distracted with. I pretend to be a BBC 4 broadcaster. It seems to work. After awhile you can stop and just read silently.
    • jan_m_savagean hour ago
      fellow ADHD. if you read in a place with no distractions, you can read silently, and fast for a long time.
      • delis-thumbs-7e38 minutes ago
        Yep, if I am interested or even obsessed by the text. I have read literature classics voraciously and have read books in one go in the past. I probably read some 50 books for my Masters. But unfortunately some documentation of a template language I need for a project, but am otherwise less interested in, fails to adequately fascinate me. Reading aloud helps me to concentrate on the boring text and actually read it, not skim without really understanding.

        Point is, it is just one reading tool in the bag and it is foolish to think it has something to do with reading level or comprehension. Might be helpful for many people whose focus has been nuked by platform apps.

      • ErroneousBoshan hour ago
        My six-year-old is probably a bit ADHD, and with parents like his it's not surprising, but he will sit and read for *hours*, and stuff that's way beyond what you'd expect of a six-year-old. It's about the only time he's really quiet, and I mean the good kind of quiet, not the "sudden transient to quiet" that means you must drop everything and RUN to find out what they're doing *now*.

        And then come the questions. So many questions.

        I never want that to stop.

  • xhevahir4 hours ago
    There's been a lot of debate over the years about what exactly it was that Ambrose was doing differently, and whether silent reading was really so uncommon in antiquity.
    • RugnirViking2 hours ago
      Reckon you could give us some idea of the other side? What are the alternative explanations proposed? The passage here (albeit translated) seems pretty unequivocal.

      It also doesn't seem that unlikely. I know a fair few adults who mutter to themselves under their breath while reading, never having managed to kick the habit of reading aloud.

  • lampcord38 minutes ago
    Makes sense, with oral traditions being so strong back then. Debugging a codebase by vocalizing variables sounds wild.
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  • 21asdffdsa122 hours ago
    Imagine how creepy a reader must seem to a ancient uneducated analphabet.

    Guy looks down at artifact, eyes flicker, pages flipped- then looks up: "Now i know.."

  • hizlikovboy274 hours ago
    the Augustine passage is a fascinating piece of evidence, but i wonder how much we can infer from it about the wider reading habits of the ancient world.
    • rob743 hours ago
      To get to that, we have to first think about the literacy rate in antiquity, which is estimated at 5 to 10%. And of those, most could probably read well enough to get by, but didn't routinely read longer texts. So someone who was well-enough versed in reading to not have to read the text out loud in order to understand it was probably a rare and noteworthy creature indeed...
      • js83 hours ago
        And you can't read long texts if there aren't that many to begin with. But it raises a question - why didn't China, which invented printing press earlier, didn't fare better?
        • JumpCrisscross2 hours ago
          > why didn't China, which invented printing press earlier, didn't fare better?

          Moveable type was invented in the 11th century [1]. Kublai Khan moved in in the 13th. Then the Mings spent a couple centuries being autocratic menaces, Qianlong went on a pogrom of China's scholars and Europe caught up.

          By the 13th century, China–uniquely–had both moveable-type presses and joint-stock companies. A combination of bad luck (the Mongols) and a tendency towards political shitshows squandered that lead.

          [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_printing_in_East_As...

          • rob74an hour ago
            Yeah, we tend to forget that progress unfortunately doesn't move steadily in one direction...
      • BariumBlue3 hours ago
        I would imagine most reading would be "let me read that sign" and not much else. To most folks, writing was probably logographs - "Ah, I've seen that collection of letters before, that meant 'pub' "
        • crooked-v2 hours ago
          Public signage with words was basically nonexistent in the pre-modern era. Why bother? The overhead of getting literate people was reserved for the stuff that couldn't be communicated in symbols, like keeping records for the taxman or contracts to prevent future land disputes.
  • lazyasciiart2 hours ago
    My dad told me this (“people used to always read aloud”) as a kid and I didn’t believe him, I thought he was making some kind of joke. It feels like the same kind of discovery as “some people don’t see pictures in their head”.
  • monideas3 hours ago
    “Now Hannah was praying in her heart; only her lips moved, but her voice could not be heard.”

    Samuel 1:13

    The Hebrew says literally “speaking on her heart”

    • itchingsphynx2 hours ago
      That example is prayer not reading, but yes there’s many Hebrew examples of meditating in the heart because most texts were memorised aurally rather than read directly.

      A first century explicit example of private reading aloud is Acts 8:28–30 Philip runs up and "heard him reading" (ἤκουσεν αὐτοῦ ἀναγινώσκοντος).

      Ten minutes of Claude searching the Hebrew and Greek scriptural texts came up with no examples that are explicitly private silent reading of text.

      • monideasan hour ago
        In this case it was a bespoke extemporaneous prayer, not something memorized but your point still stands. This is not an example of reading but it is used for the basis of the institution of the silent Amidah prayer according to the Talmud, even then of course it would have been memorized but today it is read from a prayer book.
  • cultofmetatron2 hours ago
    "silent spell casting"
  • luca_checkdesk3 hours ago
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