5 pointsby effisfor3 hours ago4 comments
  • softwaredougan hour ago
    A lot of the hate is in the same spirit of the infamous hacker news comment discounting Dropbox because you can just setup an FTP server to do the same thing[1]

    In this case, its people who have built BERT classifiers for years, pointing out you can just fine-tune some model to classify. Of course that's true, and still have value, but its not exactly turnkey. And Jev is surprisingly high quality at what its built for.

    1 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224

    • brudgers36 minutes ago
      Beware of “just.”
  • brudgers37 minutes ago
    But on HN, there are lots of much more qualified people saying Jev is a con, a step backwards, or bonkers that people are impressed.

    As William Gibson said, the future is already here, it’s just not evenly distributed.

    So people get excited about existing technologies because they are new to them.

    Wrapping an existing technology in a new package is a common way to introduce it to new people…there are many wrappers around ffmpeg, html2pdf, etc. that are marketed as products.

    And they seem like magic…hell cassette tapes feel like magic to me even though I had a cassette player in 1973.

    Often but not always, the best tool is the one in your hand or the one you know of because then you can just get to the work you are trying to do.

    First make it work, then make it good. Good luck.

  • minimaxir3 hours ago
    You're allowed to be excited about new technology.
    • bigyabai3 hours ago
      What are you allowed to feel when it's old technology?
      • brudgers35 minutes ago
        Excited or not.

        You don’t need permission to feel how you feel.

      • idjiedjwjdjiej3 hours ago
        Anything you want. Do as you please, stop waiting for the internet to tell you how to feel about things.
  • bigyabai3 hours ago
    > what software was doing this prior to Jev

    BeRT, BART and FLAN-T5, for text classification. All of those models are ~half a decade old now, are based on the transformer model, and small enough to run locally. They're not perfectly SOTA, but perform quite well in embedded applications. Fine for low-stakes stuff, I think.

    Image classifiers are a hugely competitive space. You've got BeiT, DeiT, MobileOne, ConvNext, FastViT and several more models that all support image classification pipelines.

    • effisfor2 hours ago
      Thanks for quick reply. I downloaded FLAN for comparison and you are quite right, gives similar results, with the benefit of privacy and self-sovereignty in serving the model.

      So other than untestable claims of _how_ Jev generates responses, it's main feature right now is its API design?