156 pointsby hugh4life7 hours ago21 comments
  • cbm-vic-202 hours ago
    I had a fair amount of shares of TDFX back in the day, rode it all the way to their bankruptcy. NVDA bought the scraps and left retail shareholders like me with nothing. In a different reality, if 3dfx could have survived to the AI-era...
    • afavouran hour ago
      I still remember playing Quake 2 to death in software then finally getting a 3dfx card (I want to say it was a Banshee?), loading up the game and my mind being blown by how much more immersive it was.

      Great times, the 3dfx name will always raise a smile for me.

      • nazgulsenpai43 minutes ago
        Core memory unlocked. I remember being in my dark bedroom with he glow of the CRT playing Quake 2 grapple CTF for hours and hours. Eventually I got a Voodoo 3 in all it's 16-bit color glory.

        It's wild how hazy those memories are becoming. Getting old is weird.

        • CobaltFire38 minutes ago
          Played a huge amount of Quake Grapple on my Voodoo 2 12MB over a 28.8 modem back in high school.

          That brings back some memories.

    • jonplackettan hour ago
      I wanted a 3DFX card so bad when I was 10yo.

      And then I wanted a GeForce so bad. But I only got £10 a week from my paper round.

      If I’d invested just one week of my paper round in Nvidia shares though, it would be worth over £10 million today.

      • supermattan hour ago
        More like 2 years of your £10 a week paper round for that £10m return.
        • HPsquaredan hour ago
          And also never sold any of it between then and now.
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    • reenorap33 minutes ago
      Me too. I lost all my money at the time betting on TDFX. I was salty as fuck against Nvidia for decades until I had no choice but to buy their GPU 10-ish years ago. Now I’m a stockholder. I only wish I chose properly 25 years ago…
    • igleriaan hour ago
      I remember watching those promos of need for speed 2 SE running on a 3DFX and feeling like a peasant for not having one.
  • TimTheTinker11 minutes ago
    Why is this better than running Windows 98 on a guest VM (non-emulated) on modern x86 hardware?

    Surely a modern hypervisor should be able to emulate a retro Voodoo 3D card.

    • newtonianrules8 minutes ago
      Because that requires x86 hardware which some people no longer have.
  • ethical15 minutes ago
    Oh my got, the floppy disk drive sound, is so accurate, I am in full nostalgia mode. Off on to ebay to buy a real PS2! haha. The pain, the pain of ISA Cards etc. ALthough no physical cuts!
  • mrngld3 hours ago
    Corrected title: My Childhood Emulated on 86Box with M6 Mac Mini
    • acidburnNSA3 hours ago
      I've been maintaining an emulated Pentium Pro 200 MHz Windows 95 machine on 86Box for some time with all my favorite old software from childhood. It's great for nostalgia, and if friends come over they have fun showing their kids things like SkiFree, Jezzball, and Encarta 96. Still holds up great for kids.
      • mikepurvisan hour ago
        Cinemania 97 was a big part of this era for me too, though it was far less widespread than Encarta. Fantastic resource for classic film, and into the 80s and 90s, though it was bit quirky watching it get further and further out of date, like the big 1999 films that defined my youth (The Matrix, American Beauty, Fight Club, etc) all completely unknown to it of course.
        • acidburnNSA38 minutes ago
          Yes that was also packaged with my Gateway 2000
      • mrngld2 hours ago
        Yep, I showed my little ones Odell Down Under in the browser at one point, they loved it. A certain amount of that old software I copied to .iso from my physical CD's, but not sure where I could grab something like Encarta 96. Legally.

        Had also been thinking about asking Codex to boil the oceans in an attempt to fully decompile or reverse engineer that OG of 1990s 4X games, 'Stars!'*, which I have a copy of, so I could have something modern and native for MacOS that kept all the mechanics. Maybe I should just do this instead, will have to investigate.

        • bombcar7 minutes ago
          Many of those ISOs end up on archive.org if you dig around.

          Memories of the ISO mounting program I had; so nice for all the disks to live on the server and just be mounted when needed.

        • ssl-32 hours ago
          IANAL and I have no idea where in the world you are, but downloading (as in with an http client) an ISO[1] is often treated rather dramatically very differently than distributing an ISO (as in a p2p torrent).

          Alternatively: eBay. Encarta 96 CD-ROMs are available for about $20 in the US, delivered.

          [1]: https://archive.org/details/ENCAR96ENCY

      • mysterydip2 hours ago
        I think part of the reason it holds up still is things had to be designed for newcomers at the time, since people largely were.
    • bknight1983an hour ago
      You had me at Winamp
  • kar11816 hours ago
    86box is really fun, and the m4+ macs are great at running it. I've been working on a custom OS designed specifically for the pentium 2 core/isa (trying to write an high performance *nix for 1997-1999 for quake 1/2). 86box runs very faithfully to the real silicon p2s (and voodoo 3) I have without the nuisance of having to copy code over to it in development.
  • JMiao12 minutes ago
    PII at 600mhz would’ve been an impressive overclock back in the day
  • walrus016 hours ago
    Emulated llama whipping, what an era we live in
  • tomaskafka5 hours ago
    I love it! The great 2026 benchmark is a native Turok (I vividly remember that 30fps low poly iguana looking as real as Jurassic Park in my childhood), Unreal and Q3A.
    • brnt5 hours ago
      I had that with GTA3: seemed photorealistic at the time.
      • dcl3 hours ago
        A bunch of PS2 cards had this effect on me. Fifa 2001, Gran Turismo 3, etc.
        • vegnus3 hours ago
          Gran Turismo 3 still looks photo realistic!
          • sublinear2 hours ago
            This is especially true on a CRT. People often forget how "good enough" the PS2 graphics were, and how big of a deal that was.

            Even the prior two games had an extremely tasteful use of textures and geometry that just felt right and realistic enough to not break immersion despite the hardware limitations. This era of gaming rightfully and correctly recognized that any form of "realism" is ultimately an impression rather than an objective truth.

            • booty39 minutes ago
              Gran Turismo 3 was where I first started experiencing the "uncanny valley" of graphics. The game looked and felt incredible... so incredible that the lack of damage felt like an immersion-breaker in a way I hadn't experienced before.
  • bbarn5 hours ago
    But can it emulate having two voodoo II's and a desk fan pointed at it?
    • birdsongs2 hours ago
      TIL you could SLI Vodoo 2's, and 3dfx invented it. Very cool. (It's different from the nvidia SLI, same acronym, different tech.)
  • bbayer2 hours ago
    It gives me chills when I see the 3dMark 2000 benchmark visuals. I thought it is pure magic when I first saw it. What was a time to be alive!.
    • MPSimmonsan hour ago
      Yeah, I still remember the first time I ran glxgears on accelerated hardware and I could not believe my eyes
  • jwrallie5 hours ago
    Wait, if single core performance matters, could it be that the MacBook Neo could be a good machine for 86Box? I assume thermal throttling could be a limitation but in theory it should be as fast as an M3 for single core performance.
    • petaleverbloom5 hours ago
      Author of the article/site here, I have a MacBook neo I could test 86box on with this same build. But practically speaking yes, it has reasonable ST perf and my guess would be it's competitive with the best x86 chips available today for this workload.
  • artisinal5 hours ago
    I vaguely remember running a PlayStation emulator (bleem?) on my Pentium III 1Ghz processor.

    Once the Mac mini M8 is released, will we be able to emulate a Pentium III which runs PlayStation emulation?

    • petaleverbloom5 hours ago
      It ran VisualBoyAdvance pretty well! I haven't tried Project64 but I think the emulated Voodoo3 should support Jabos D3D6/7 backend with older versions. Was quite thrilled today to see my article blow up so if there's anything you'd want me to test I have mostly a free weekend.
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  • initramfs5 hours ago
    I thought 86Box only emulated binaries, so I was a little confused on how it designates CPU speed and architecture. Good to know though...
  • netsharc6 hours ago
    Ah, those specs will run Need for Speed II smoothly!
  • hncbw02z5a5 hours ago
    Glide works, yeah, but check your 86Box dynarec setting first. I had Unreal crawling on an M2 until I realized I was still on the interpreter core.
  • ranger_danger6 hours ago
    I would be interested to see a performance comparison with qemu and softgpu (https://github.com/JHRobotics/softgpu).
    • AshamedCaptain4 hours ago
      Or a Rosetta-based emulator (like Parallels). But 86Box is going to be very bad there.

      While they claim "accuracy" as one of the goals for 86Box, I believe accuracy is overrated in PC emus (you don't really need that much accuracy due to the variety of PC clones, and emus are not that accurate anyway). For me the biggest point for using 86Box over other PC emulators/virtualizers is the large selection of virtual hardware available to emulate, not performance.

      • kmeaw4 hours ago
        86Box is just accurate enough to run the original unmodified firmware. It does not emulate cache and RAM behavior, so you won't get performance-related accuracy. You are likely to succeed in Spectre-like attacks against an emulated 386, which shouldn't be possible on a real thing.

        If you don't care and just want to go faster on a modern x86 CPU, you can replace the CPU emulation part of 86Box with a hypervisor. I tried running a Socket 7 motherboard firmware on Linux's KVM - given the chipset emulation is correct, it works: it amusingly identifies an AMD Zen5 running at 3GHz as "Unknown-S CPU at M60MHz" and boots to a DOS prompt.

        • AshamedCaptain2 hours ago
          Kind of proving why accuracy is not really that important for the PC world. Most era firmware would have tried to run on as much variety of machines possible.
  • farseer6 hours ago
    Emulated Voodoo 3? Does that mean I can run games using Glide?
  • raverbashing5 hours ago
    Computers got better, true

    But those were much cooler than the ones today

  • qubex6 hours ago
    Now I want to emulate my dual PIII-450 with an ATI Rage Fury 128 running Windows 2000.
    • ChickeNES3 hours ago
      Which motherboard did you have those in? I had a dual socket 370 EPoX board, but I never put a second CPU in it.

      Also, sounds like I should work on upstreaming my Rage Fury 128 emulation...and the EPoX SMP emulation...(the perils of too much ADHD and too few tokens)

      • qubex2 hours ago
        I don’t really remember what motherboard I had. It definitely didn’t have dual sockets because the first PIII (Katmai) were Slot A devices. I even ran the utility to turn off the controversial unique serial number. I remember having all sorts of trouble after I replaced a processor because it turned out they had different steppings. I complained and made a pain of myself and eventually they replaced the existing unit with an equal stepping. Again, I can’t remember all the details.
    • sdcfgy6 hours ago
      Heh I had one of those back in the day with an Intel made L440GX+ and SCSI disks. One of my favourite machines.
      • qubex4 hours ago
        Dual processor machines back then were rather exotic. I was coming from a period on BeOS (“one processor per person is not enough!”) and I’ve never really been able to endure non-SMP machines since 1995. It’s common now of course. I had 512 MB of RAM and a pair of 9.4 (?) SCSI disks connected in RAID-0: I liked to live dangerously back in the day. It ended in tears a few times but I also had a 2GB Iomega Jaz drive for backups… yeah… eventually I switched to DVD-R… yeah… there’s holes in my records.
        • sdcfgy4 hours ago
          Very cool! Never tried BeOS back in the day. I heard good things though.

          Amazing times. I actually upgraded to that from a Compaq Professional Workstation 5000 which had dual Pentium Pro 180s in it. Ran NT and occasionally FreeBSD. Cost me a small fortune at the time. Backups here were to a SCSI DLT (can't remember capacity) that was chucked in the trash at work. All it needed was a minor repair.

    • sneak4 hours ago
      I miss Windows 2000. Win32 was such a good time in desktop computing.
      • qubex2 hours ago
        Windows 2000 was some kind of brief apex. I was a beta tester and I saw it mature from ‘NT5’ into what it eventually became. It was too rapidly supplanted by Windows XP. It deserves to be remembered.
  • KellyCriterion6 hours ago
    But can it run Crysis? :-D
    • LetMeLogin5 hours ago
      It can run Doom for sure.
    • pjmlp6 hours ago
      Hardly, given that the hardware predates the game.
      • normie30005 hours ago
        I think most games are written to run on hardware that predates them.
        • pjmlp4 hours ago
          Kind of, while chronological true, that misses the hardware configuration that the games expect to be available as means to execute their binary code.
          • anthkan hour ago
            A dual CPU board with a late 1GHZ Pentium III and a good video card might run it at lowest settings.
            • pjmlpan hour ago
              That isn't the hardware being discussed here.
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  • jonstewart3 hours ago
    Quake party!!!!