31 pointsby simonebrunozzi2 hours ago21 comments
  • big852 hours ago
    Major changes:

    1. You must be 18 to use Dropbox. Previously, you had to be 13 if in the United States, or 16 if higher. Dropbox may use information "Dropbox may use and rely on information from third parties, including age signals from app stores, for the purpose of enforcing this restriction."

    2. Your account may be terminated if you don't have a Paid account and haven't accessed for 6 months. Previously, it was 12 months.

    3. If you have multiple accounts tied to the same email address, and one is banned, the others may also be banned.

    4. "Refunds are only issued if required by law." -> "Refunds are only issued in limited circumstances or if required by law."

    5. You automatically agree to the new terms if you continue to have an account. Previously, it was only if you continued to use the service.

    6. Some terms covering Teams accounts.

    • rpozarickij2 hours ago
      > Your account may be terminated if you don't have a Paid account and haven't accessed for 6 months

      I hope file sync is treated as "access", otherwise this would make me anxious.

    • applfanboysbgon2 hours ago
      > 5. You automatically agree to the new terms if you continue to have an account.

      I would really love to see courts throw this BS out.

      • necovekan hour ago
        I agree with you in principle.

        It would also potentially invalidate clauses like the one in GPL license too: "this version or any later version" — how can anyone consent to yet-unknown terms?

        In this particular case and going after the summary from big85, there's one case of legal compliance (like age restrictions — it applies in appropriate jurisdictions even if the ToS is not updated) or maybe two (banning per-account vs per-owner), some widening of the terms to the benefit of the customer (like refunds being permitted in "special circumstances" on top of "required by law, with only "reductionist" change being about lowering service window for unused free accounts (in some jurisdictions, even this could be about respecting data privacy laws — companies are obligated to remove any data which is not used after a certain time, though I think this is 12 months even under GDPR).

        As such, I believe this would not be a good case where you can bring enough light how this type of clause is harming one side to the contract.

        • Gabrys1an hour ago
          For "this or any later version", I have always read this line as you get to choose which version you want to follow, not the one granting you the licence.
          • necovekan hour ago
            Certainly, but would that even be enforceable from a perspective of the grantee?

            "Hey, I trusted FSF to do the right thing with the next version and they did not"

            They blindly accepted to honor the terms which have not yet been defined.

            • microtonal8 minutes ago
              Yeah, but I think the main point is that the GPL 'at your option any later version' clause is a burden on the developer, not the user. Suppose that the software is under the GPLv2 (with the later version clause) and the FSF has a hostile takeover. If:

              - The FSF makes a GPLv4 to remove all commercial use, it's not a problem for the user since they could stick with the GPLv2. It's not a problem for the developer either, since the extra requirement that they may not agree with is only optional (since the GPLv2 can still be used).

              - The FSF makes a license that says: screw copyleft, GPLv4 is now the MIT license. Again, it's not a problem for the user, they can either continue to use the GPLv2 or make use of the additional liberties of the MIT license (e.g. using the code in close source work). But it is a problem for the developer. They chose to use a copyleft license and now everybody can grab their code and use it in closed source software, etc.

              This is vastly different from the Dropbox changes, since every update of the terms affects the user.

  • lukeifyan hour ago
    Amazing Dropbox went from a brilliantly simple service to this stagnating corporate swamp of ooze. Yet another fascinating example of how headcount correlates with quality decline.
    • microtonala few seconds ago
      We loved Dropbox and had a family subscription. One of the main reasons we stopped using them (besides it being a US company and Trump threatening declare war to another NATO ally) was that even though we were paying users, they continuously badgered us with upsells. Using Maestral as a client made things better (at the loss of block-level sync + now unmaintained), but every time I had to log into the web interface I got stupid upsell ads.

      I once contacted their customer support about this and their answer was "Oh really? Can you send some examples?" So I sent them screenshots of all the upselling banners, popups, etc. that they showed and I never heard back from them.

      It also didn't make sense at all. Why, if I'm using Dropbox for family use, would I upgrade to a business plan?

    • bayindirh35 minutes ago
      The pricing got very complicated, that part is true. On the other hand, service quality didn’t go down. They added many small features which makes things easier, on the other hand.

      I use a bunch of additional services they offer. They work well, make me spend less money and save my time (e.g.: send, transcription, advanced sharing controls).

  • rlk2 hours ago
    Looks like the major changes are:

    - some stuff about Teams that's mostly only relevant if you're using your work email for a personal account

    - minimium age 13 -> 18; add "Dropbox may use and rely on information from third parties, including age signals from app stores, for the purpose of enforcing this restriction."

    - free accounts may be terminated after 6 months of no use (previously 12 months)

    - removed "If you reside in the EU, the European Commission provides for an online dispute resolution platform, which you can access here: https://ec.europa.eu/consumers/odr." from the dispute resolution process.

    • LoganDarkan hour ago
      That last point is funny... so arbitration agreements are designed to make the process intentionally more difficult. Can't provide too many hints!
      • debugnik13 minutes ago
        I don't think that's the reason. From the linked site:

        > The European Online Dispute Resolution (ODR) Platform is discontinued as of 20 July 2025

  • swiftcoderan hour ago
    I guess teenagers don't have any need to sync files, eh? Hate to see this gradual erosion of internet access for young people - I'd bet half the notable members of this very site started their career trajectory by learning how to break/fix computers in middle school or before
    • ta988an hour ago
      It will simply teach them how to go around those "protections". And put them at risk of using shaddy services to do so. Exactly like what happened with the war on drugs...
    • d0minean hour ago
      It is not about age. It is just a way to tie accounts to a real life identity.

      It won't be surprising if the requirement comes from some alphabet agency.

      • grishka3 minutes ago
        Don't most countries give people their first IDs before 18? Mine does it at 14.
      • dgellow14 minutes ago
        Dont they already have the payment information?
    • hdgvhicvan hour ago
      It’s erosion of closed saas, not the internet. That already broke the hacker environments of yesteryear.
    • paul7986an hour ago
      Hmmmmm today is a very different world compared to when we used the Internet to learn how to code. Now with Ai doing all the coding is learning how to code even happenning?

      Also, just talked two friends who work for mid-size companies and last week both of their CEOs told them to just point Ai to their Jira tickets to finish all their tasks. Anyone else hearing their CEOs instruct the same thing?

    • iLoveOncallan hour ago
      This has nothing to do with that. They probably realized that teenagers are a small enough portion of their userbase that the loss of revenue (and probably lack thereof to be fair) is far outweighed by the opportunity to ask users for their ID.
  • kristiancan hour ago
    Dropbox will be one of the next Bending Spoons acquisitions. Low growth, none of the upsell or product extension things they've done have really worked out, and no-one's idea of what the future looks like.
  • elnerd42 minutes ago
    Does this mean that young adults that work for companies that use Dropbox, cannot collaborate with others using Dropbox?
  • pveierlandan hour ago
    Funny that this is the only Dropbox post I've seen on HN besides infamous references to their launch post. You'd think there would be plenty of interesting improvements to make.

    Having been a paid user for the last decade my current experience is just getting error messages on my phone every week that something failed to sync, and that I have to re-enter the app every ~month to disable/enable syncing for my offline files, otherwise it doesn't work. I can't remember any time I've been pleasantly surprised by any change to the service.

  • duttishan hour ago
    I've been a happy customer of Tresorit for several years now. Give them a try if you're fed up with Dropbox.

    At first I was selective in what folders I synced but after a few months I decided to just sync my entire workspace folder with everything in it.

    Incredibly convenient, everything is automatically synced between my desktop and laptop.

    If you go this route look into filters, it's not a very advertised feature but works great for excluding build output, venvs and other stuff.

  • loehnsbergan hour ago
    This leaves a lot of questions. Why are they raising the age limit? What legislation demands this? Will other services follow? And what if parents give consent? Are users on a family plan now forced to kick off their kids from the joined plan?
  • hjkl02 hours ago
    What’s a good Dropbox alternative? Especially for Macs. Feels like they spent twenty years just making the Mac client worse.
    • ascorbican hour ago
      I heard you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem
    • NordStreamYacht38 minutes ago
      Use maestral.app on Linux and macOS.

      Also bypasses the free Dropbox account's limitations on 3 devices.

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    • LeoPantheraan hour ago
      iCloud Drive is the obvious choice.
    • simongray2 hours ago
      Self-hosted Seafile + Tailscale works great for me.
    • NietTiman hour ago
      If you only have ios and mac clients why not icloud?
  • ak39an hour ago
    Why hasn't anyone created a windows and mac client that git pushes changes to remote after file activities of local computer, and polls remote repo every 1 minute for changes to pull? I'd gladly pay for that. :-)
    • jonny2811an hour ago
      i think that's kind of what rclone is https://github.com/rclone/rclone

      haven't used it yet. i either back up my data with restic or sync it to other devices with syncthing, but those are tiny files (keepassxc dbs)

  • webprofusion2 hours ago
    Diff or it didn't happen
    • GuestFAUniverse2 hours ago
      100%

      It's 2026 and they're handling IT like pariahs of the stone age.

      Even they grey beards of the 70s would have worked that out easily.

      • dannyw2 hours ago
        Oh it's probably intentional. I've seen efforts to simplify terms of service get rejected because "more people might read it if it's shorter".
    • nixass2 hours ago
      Well, diff it then?
      • GuestFAUniverse2 hours ago
        (I'm a former user of dropbox.)

        Good services make change explicit.

        Dropbox seems to have degraded into incompetence. Unable to provide good services.

        • adrithmetiqa2 hours ago
          Long time Dropbox user here. I would disagree. In my opinion they still have the best file sync platform of the big providers, easily beating onedrive and Google drive for reliability, especially with hundreds of thousands of files.
  • drgo2 hours ago
    I switched to Sync last year. Much cheaper, better quality.
    • egeozcan2 hours ago
      I didn't know about Sync. TIL someone had the guts to start a company named "Sync" in 2011.
      • 2b3a51an hour ago
        Yes, brave name choice. I went to have a look and the home page is nice, well laid out, and has links to documents. Small free tier to put your feet in the shallow end, and a couple of monthly plans, one aimed at individuals and the other at orgs. Perhaps a family plan would have benefits?

        Alas no linux support, not even an api to allow the use of some terminal command to get round GUI fragmentation. Searching for 'sync online storage with linux' leads to a recent redit thread and a Mint Linux forum thread.

      • xprnioan hour ago
        Let that sync in
    • drgoan hour ago
  • Lukas_Skywalkeran hour ago
    If the enshittification continues, it might be time to go back to rsync [0].

    [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863

  • sorbusherraan hour ago
    i'm so happy with syncthing project.
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  • xtoilette2 hours ago
    TL;DR?
    • charcircuit2 hours ago
      - You must be 18+

      - You must access Dropbox every 6 months (from 12) if you have a free to ensure they don't delete your account

    • chrisandchris2 hours ago
      I did a comparison with an LLM of my choice and there was no meaningful difference (or nothing I would consider HN-worthy).
      • sph2 hours ago
        Given the HN-worthy differences posted by others, here’s another example of why it’s not a good idea to delegate your thinking to LLMs.
        • kenferryan hour ago
          I… guess? I'm not sure why this was posted. None of these changes seem important.
      • 0x20Fearless2 hours ago
        I saw a comment and didn’t prompt an LLM and see the whole difference: https://www.diffchecker.com/QD8AKShC/
  • zdc12 hours ago
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    • pndy2 hours ago
      There's at least 10 other accounts who do the same
      • catocan hour ago
        This account has 50 submissions in the last two hours! [Edit: not the parent; the posting account]

        I don’t know why GP’s comment was flagged because submitting at a rate of 25 submissions PER HOUR is not done out of a genuine desire to share something that may be of interest to fellow human beings. Not even for personal bookmarking

        • pndy16 minutes ago
          Some accounts have a clearly more privileged status here and are allowed to upload content without limits - especially from big outlets.
    • baxtr2 hours ago
      Or: they use it as their personal bookmarking tool