22 pointsby andsoitisan hour ago7 comments
  • serf20 minutes ago
    3 hrs and 52 minutes of Musk.

    I didn't even want to sit in front of a screen for 2 hours for Bob Dylan, sheesh.

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  • bix628 minutes ago
    Monster.
  • catigulaan hour ago
    >More than 60 fatalities have been linked to Tesla’s driver-assistance systems. Talk about something that could put a dent in your image!

    That seems pretty low?

    Driving is extremely dangerous.

    • blakesterz25 minutes ago
      This site has numbers and sources: https://www.tesladeaths.com/
    • raincole19 minutes ago
      It is. However, "Tesla statistically saved lifes" doesn't make an exciting news article.
    • yostrovs34 minutes ago
      Yes and "linked" is a weasel word to imply something without making a definite statement for which there's no proof.
  • spottedmarley21 minutes ago
    That Musk dude needs a hobby.
  • testing2232136 minutes ago
    > you see that he’s a creator of mirages who promises more than he delivers

    There is no doubt he has promised many things that have never been delivered, or delivered extremely late.

    He (his companies/teams) have also utterly changed the space launch landscape to the point of making the rest of the world irrelevant. Changed the energy market across the globe, delivered exceptional electric vehicles and (finally) put a car on the road for public use with no mirrors, steering wheel or pedals. The production line is also world leading, as stated by every auto CEO that has toured it.

    Does he over promise and exaggerate? Undoubtedly.

    But he does also deliver.

    • Ydarbleoja minute ago
      Delivers an ungodly amount of space pollution that's for sure.
    • 2PqboPPmKegvanx6 minutes ago
      >Does he over promise and exaggerate? Undoubtedly.

      >But he does also deliver.

      Shotwell deserves 99.99% of the SpaceX credit over Musk. anyone who says differently needs to take off their Musk-coloured glasses

      also there are very good reasons no one else has released cars on public roads with no mirrors, steering wheels or pedals.

    • bix626 minutes ago
      Ok and how about his character as a human being?
    • michael0church21 minutes ago
      He has one effect, which can be good or bad. He’s an attention magnet. He didn’t make Tesla what it was, but he also fucked it up less than most CEOs do. Most CEOs want to make real changes. He just let smart people do great work so he could be on (and eventually buy) Twitter.

      His flamboyance raised the profile of electric vehicles. That was good, because we’re gonna need them. When this actual work was the relevant factor, we got DOGE, an unforgivable disaster.

      • pavel_lishin17 minutes ago
        > Most CEOs want to make real changes. He just let smart people do great work so he could be on (and eventually buy) Twitter.

        I'm not sure that's the case:

        https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-17/elon-musk...

        > When Musk is hyper-focused on daily operations, it can often lead to extra work — he’s inserted himself in projects and demanded changes for sometimes arbitrary reasons, former employees say.

        > For instance, current and former employees describe times that Musk has deemed certain hardware as having too many tubes, connectors, or wires, or just not generally fitting his preferred design aesthetic. He’s demanded that employees rework and simplify systems, leading employees to spend time justifying why certain parts exist or triggering major redesigns and work that can take weeks to accomplish. Sometimes, that work ultimately has to be reversed when components that were discarded ultimately are needed for the final design.

        • 2PqboPPmKegvanx5 minutes ago
          CEOs who act the way he does are horrible CEOs 100% of the time - doesn't matter if the company has 10, 100 or 100,000 employees.
    • bmitc7 minutes ago
      Does he actually deliver? Isn't SpaceX ran by grownups that are not him? Isn't it well known that when he's actually involved in trying to deliver that he gets in the way and slows everything down?

      > delivered exceptional electric vehicles

      Tesla's ranking for quality and reliability and many cases of fraud regarding warranty repairs would disagree rather heavily with "exceptional".

      And your analysis ignores his many, many business failures and his overall negative affect on things and culture.

    • pavel_lishin22 minutes ago
      > He (his companies/teams) have also utterly changed the space launch landscape to the point of making the rest of the world irrelevant

      For now. Other countries are catching up, same as they are with electric vehicles.

  • unethical_ban24 minutes ago
    SpaceX is amazing, and he may receive due credit for the "vision" of pushing forward the state of the art in electric vehicles and rockets.

    We (society) often glosses over personal failings of popular figures. But given the level of outright lies he has funded in elections and how much money he has spent to get anti-democracy politicians in power in the US, one should not waver in their condemnation of the man's character.

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