105 pointsby dbg314154 hours ago10 comments
  • WatchDog20 minutes ago
    Are there any unionized game studios that continue to produce highly acclaimed games?

    Bethesda used to make great games, but the last great game they made was Skyrim in 2011, they unionized in 2022, and just recently they had some big layoffs.

    CD Projekt made the highly acclaimed Witcher 3 in 2015, Cyberpunk disappointed on it's release in 2020, although it's reviews are mixed. CD Projekt unionized in 2023.

    Blizzard have been in decline for a long time, they mostly focus on maintaining the cash cows games WoW and hearthstone. Although Diablo has is mostly well regarded(ignoring immortal). They haven't made any new ambitious game for a while. Their last attempt at making something ambitious was Titan, a cancelled MMO that they worked on for 6 years and supposedly spent $80 million on, cancelled in 2013.

    The decline seems to begin well before the unionization, so I wouldn't say it's causal, it's more of a symptom of the company no longer being a place that can foster high functioning teams, where people feel like they are valued and working on something important.

    • ViktorRay11 minutes ago
      I guess we will find out when GTA 6 comes out as Rockstar has become unionized.

      Although actually…Rockstar didn’t become unionized until most of GTA 6 had already been completed. So I guess we’ll find out when their next game comes out.

    • Camus13411 minutes ago
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  • aliasxneoan hour ago
    Use to be a huge Blizzard fan back in the day. Can't get behind basically anything they are doing today. Time will tell if something like this just reinforces whatever is broken or results in real improvement. I'm cynical on the matter.
  • marcus_holmesan hour ago
    About time tbh. I don't work in game dev, in part because of the horrorshow of game dev management.
    • tstrimple40 minutes ago
      Would be crazy to work for a company where you had confidence that like half your colleagues would be "laid off" after successfully delivering a project.
      • genxy12 minutes ago
        I'd never ship then, consciously or not.
        • dmix6 minutes ago
          You'd fit right in then
  • teklaan hour ago
    Does Blizzard plan on releasing a good game soon?
    • weberer34 minutes ago
      I hear they may be re-re-re-releasing WoW Classic again.
    • beanjuiceIIan hour ago
      definitely not now
    • tstrimple38 minutes ago
      Overwatch had so much promise. I could have seen an Arcane style series featuring characters. But no. I'm not expecting anything good from them again.
  • globalnode29 minutes ago
    in australia workers seem to have more rights. they have industry awards that specify minimum wage and safety conditions etc, they have the legal right to strike and the legal right for union/collective bargaining if they choose it, aka freedom of association. when i look at employment conditions in the US, it boggles my mind how workers there basically have zero safety net. its an extreme example of giving all the power to the employer.
  • brailsafean hour ago
    Spectacular. Many people have been disappointed with moves by Blizz in the last 5-10 years and anything that improves livability for those that make what used to be great games is a huge win
  • colechristensen2 hours ago
    Big corporate gaming studios get my full support for unionizing, those people need collective bargaining. I am a skeptic of many unionizing efforts, but not this one.
  • underliptonan hour ago
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    • georgemcbayan hour ago
      Alas Hacker News posters see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed trillionaires.
      • incr_me43 minutes ago
        I've always heard "millionaires" (the quote was always apocryphal, anyways), and that belief is much less delusional than the belief that we're part of the proletariat, that class of workers who have nothing to lose but their chains. The vast majority of people here have lots to lose. These Blizzard workers, however miserable they are, have always had a staggering lot to lose, more than the proletariat could ever dream of possessing.
        • mplanchard34 minutes ago
          Uh, do you think that the labor class is defined by utter poverty or something? The labor class is defined by having to work for their livelihood, which most of us still do, even if we have a mortgage or a nice 401(k) or whatever.
          • incr_mea few seconds ago
            My parent did not say "labor class" (a mishmash of words), they said proletariat, which is an abstraction that has a real history. Most of us here are petty bourgeois, labor aristocrats, or settlers. A house or a 401(k) are literally capital. So, the proletariat is defined by utter poverty more than "wages", yes. That's my point. Those conditions of utter poverty define the majority of the world's population, but exceedingly few in the imperialist sphere.
          • hackable_sand4 minutes ago
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          • tekla11 minutes ago
            I'm going to guess that you want this to include SV/SF people as part of the labor class. This is a joke to the labor class and they are making fun of you
          • globalnode26 minutes ago
            define livelihood, it involves a standard and cost of living that is different for different people
        • georgemcbay24 minutes ago
          > I've always heard "millionaires" (the quote was always apocryphal, anyways)

          Gotta update it for 2026 because millionaires are broke bitches. Basically part of the permanent underclass that will never escape the singularity at this point.

          But more seriously, your view of what constitutes the proletariat is skewed off of its contemporary meaning.

          If you can't retire today and never work again without having to worry about money, you're part of the proletariat. You don't have to be poor, you just have to be a laborer. That's... almost all of us.

          Also, attribution of the quote to Steinbeck would be apocryphal, but the core idea behind the oft-misattributed phrase has never been more true than it is today on social media and internet forums, so I wouldn't say the quote itself is apocryphal.

    • mplanchard36 minutes ago
      I don’t necessarily think meta complaints about the HN crowd are productive, but…

      Worker proportion of total company profits is at a historic low, but “unions bad” is often the most that the HN contingent can come up with. A lot of it is “I once knew a union guy who was lazy” kind of discourse. The consistency of the anti-union takes reads to me like a lot of well-internalized propaganda. Many people have bought the SV exceptionalism lie hook, line, and sinker.

      Just because you’re a few more months away from homelessness than somebody working a different job doesn’t make you part of the capital class.

  • xorgun2 hours ago
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    • tomhow2 hours ago
      Almost every comment I can see from this account is a brief, snarky swipe, lacking any substance nor even a period at the end of the sentence, which is a hallmark of low-effort participation. It's honestly hard to know if these comments are human written or bot generated, so, in the absence of any redeeming qualities, the account is now banned.
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